Nicky T Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Shot the registered comp today at MCSC and witnessed something very out of the ordinary happen to another PW member who i was shooting with: He shot the first report pair of this particular stand fine, took out the spent cartridges (Eley Superbs) and loaded up again for the next pair only to pull the trigger at the first bird and nothing happen. We thought nothing of it, other than a duff primer in the offending cartridge, until we looked and discovered that the wad from the previous cartridge was still lodged in the barrel :o Scary to have two consecutive cartridges with issues and potentially damaging consequences! Needless to say we both breathed a sign of relief once we'd stopped twitching! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 could of been nasty did you recommend a lottery ticket purchase on the way home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Shot the registered comp today at MCSC and witnessed something very out of the ordinary happen to another PW member who i was shooting with: He shot the first report pair of this particular stand fine, took out the spent cartridges (Eley Superbs) and loaded up again for the next pair only to pull the trigger at the first bird and nothing happen. We thought nothing of it, other than a duff primer in the offending cartridge, until we looked and discovered that the wad from the previous cartridge was still lodged in the barrel :o Er so the bird from the first pair was broken, but the WAD remained in the barrel, then then second shot from that barrel got stuck behind it? 2 Squib loads? Weird and lucky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 He shot the first report pair of this particular stand fine, took out the spent cartridges (Eley Superbs) and loaded up again for the next pair only to pull the trigger at the first bird and nothing happen. We thought nothing of it, other than a duff primer in the offending cartridge, until we looked and discovered that the wad from the previous cartridge was still lodged in the barrel :o Hi Nicky, sorry but this just doesn't sound right, certainly not if the pair broke and gun sounded normal on discharge. It sounds as though the second cartridge had a weak pop forcing it's own wad half way down the tube???!! In any case believe it or not a blocked barrel does not always blow up. A plastic wad has no resistance as such and would almost certainly have just been blown out, I recall reading about tests where 20 gauge shells deliberately left in the barrel were blown out without catastrophic consequences. I personally check my barrels when I first enter the stand but not thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Huh?!? You've not converted everybody to cheddites yet? Yucky superb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky T Posted July 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hi Nicky, sorry but this just doesn't sound right, certainly not if the pair broke and gun sounded normal on discharge. It sounds as though the second cartridge had a weak pop forcing it's own wad half way down the tube???!! In any case believe it or not a blocked barrel does not always blow up. A plastic wad has no resistance as such and would almost certainly have just been blown out, I recall reading about tests where 20 gauge shells deliberately left in the barrel were blown out without catastrophic consequences. I personally check my barrels when I first enter the stand but not thereafter. On the first pair the gun sounded normal on discharge; i don't believe that the pair of clays broke though but surely that's irrelevant On the second pair there was a definite "click" of the firing pin hitting the primer on the cartridge in the first barrel, but no pop or other firing sound. When my friend removed the cartridge we could see that the primer had been struck but the cartridge was still unfired. Removing it showed a blackage in the barrel and the previous wad was said blockage. Very strange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 On the first pair the gun sounded normal on discharge; i don't believe that the pair of clays broke though but surely that's irrelevant On the second pair there was a definite "click" of the firing pin hitting the primer on the cartridge in the first barrel, but no pop or other firing sound. When my friend removed the cartridge we could see that the primer had been struck but the cartridge was still unfired. Removing it showed a blackage in the barrel and the previous wad was said blockage. Very strange! This sounds most bizzare. I cannot even think of a potential answer here. If the round sounded normal I can't see how it could have left anything behind it. Similarly, if the next one was unfired then the wad couldn't have come from it. I agree though with the other poster that a wad left in the barrel almost certainly couldn't have caused any problems and I don't even think you would have noticed any difference, to be honest. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 their is usually a very distinctive sound when a wad gets stuck in the barrel. odd the shooter didnt notice it at the time as obviously not enough powder to push it through. you can sometimes hear the pellets roll down the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 On the first pair the gun sounded normal on discharge; i don't believe that the pair of clays broke though but surely that's irrelevant Asked as i wondered if the shot was effective instead of rolling out the barrel? to have a squib, followed by a dud primer in the same chamber is either very unlucky or perhaps quite fortunate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky T Posted July 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 It seems that I've gotten my wires crossed on this one Having spoken to the shooter in question tonight hes certain that the duff cartridge went off with a weak pop leaving the wad six inches or so down the barrels and the shot rolling out of the end. All I remember was him showing the ref the struck primer and assumed that the cartridge was intact when he took it out. Oops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Ever seen the episode of "myth busters" where they try to get a barrel to blow up? In the end, they welded a big bolt into the end of the barrel and fired it (inside a shipping container via a string). All it did was break the weld and blow the bolt out. Obviously we should all still be very careful but it would appear luck may well favour us with modern guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I have had a "blooper" where a cartridge went off sufficiently to discharge the shot but not the wad. It did sound softer but the shot killed the rabbit and the wad stopped about 6 " short of the muzzle. A fibre wad and an absolute pig to push out with a cleaning rod, very, very tight and cylinder choke too. It offered a LOT of resistance and I doubt a following shot would have ended anything but disastrously. I have seen a Baikal shoulder cannon fired with 3" of snow in the muzzle and produce a significant ring bulge directly behind the blockage. If it had been a normal gun a failure was quite probable. Steve Smiths Shooting Ground, circa 1980 a well known trap shooter had a stuck wad from a previous shot and it severely damaged his gun. I always look for daylight when reloading even if it all sounds normal. Better safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I have had a "blooper" where a cartridge went off sufficiently to discharge the shot but not the wad. It did sound softer but the shot killed the rabbit and the wad stopped about 6 " short of the muzzle. A fibre wad and an absolute pig to push out with a cleaning rod, very, very tight and cylinder choke too. It offered a LOT of resistance and I doubt a following shot would have ended anything but disastrously. I have seen a Baikal shoulder cannon fired with 3" of snow in the muzzle and produce a significant ring bulge directly behind the blockage. If it had been a normal gun a failure was quite probable. Steve Smiths Shooting Ground, circa 1980 a well known trap shooter had a stuck wad from a previous shot and it severely damaged his gun. I always look for daylight when reloading even if it all sounds normal. Better safe than sorry. The moral here is to look down the barrels as you reload, it is an easy discipline to get into and one that could save you a lot of pain and expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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