Bewsher500 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) I think people get confused as to "good reason" and "legal calibre" if I ask for a .222 and my good reason is I want a smaller calibre for foxing on golf courses, that is why I will get the gun. Now that gun is deer legal. (I also live in Scotland which helps) I also have a .243 and .270 conditioned for fox/deer if the .222 is deer legal it doesnt matter if I have deer stalking now or not it should be conditioned for deer from the beginning. If I decide to take a paid stalk and use my .222 should I have to put in a bloody variation in order to use my rifle for something that it is perfectly legal!? Fox is your good reason Deer is your legal quarry I should add that I have just done this. I have little intention of using the .222 on deer, but I might. thats my choice not the Police's Edited August 29, 2012 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 we do get sense down here, my conditions are just specified the rifles shall be used for deer stalking and pest control and no issue with which of them used for what no mention of little deer etc and its taken as read that I wouldn't use an illegal caliber on deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Bewsher I agree with you entirely except for your comment stating that just because a caliber is deer legal it should or will be conditioned for deer. If you already have a deer condition, then you have already demonstrated your good reason for such a condition and you would have no problem having deer conditioned for any subsequent deer legal rifles you acquired. However, if you don't have deer as a condition you will be required to demonstrate your good reason to have deer added as a condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 One should exersize caution on having a certain quarry added to many rifles. I had this issue recently with "vermin" on so many guns they kicked up a right old fuss that lead to me loosing the existing HMR. historically stalkers have been ok in most areas to have say a .243 and also a larger .308 etc for larger deer, night shooting licences whatever. If such a guy got a .22 cf also conditioned his other .243 say could be brought into question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 A lot depends where you are, here as we have muntjac by the truckload its usual if you have a deer condition to add it to .22cf's obviously if muntjac aren't present in an area it must be a rarer request Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 That’s the crux of the matter I suspect- Munty is rare in Cheshire, and Roe – well we would love to see them, so the offer is very much still open to you Kes – get in touch and we will be very happy to come and see the land and look for evidence of deer. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Can't get a better offer than that and it will put it to bed one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 That’s the crux of the matter I suspect- Munty is rare in Cheshire, and Roe – well we would love to see them, so the offer is very much still open to you Kes – get in touch and we will be very happy to come and see the land and look for evidence of deer. David Im thinking his shooting permmision is further a field ( no mention of them in cheshire in his posts ) ? BASC done nothing for me when i was in the same position as KES, did it all on me own and got munty on the .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 If you look at post 34, Kes clearly states that the land is in Cheshire. He says he has evidence of Munty and Roe; however the FEO is not convinced that the land has deer on it hence he is failing to show the need to have his 223 conditioned for deer. Secondly, the only land he has offered for the 243 he now wants for fox and deer is, apparently, not cleared for 243 and does not have deer on it. If he has access to land with deer on it, as I said before, then he will be in a position to show good reason for having deer on his licence. I too live in Cheshire and on first application got my 30-06 conditioned for deer, target, zeroing and fox, I had access to land that was cleared for 30-06 and a had some stalking booked – so yes it can certainly be done in Cheshire IF you can show good reason. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 No confusion - I applied on renewal for a .243 for deer on the land I shoot and have the permission of the shooting leaseholder and the landlord. I offered evidence of roe and deer on the shoot - photographic and witnessed (if this was required). I confirmed these were possibly local escapees or a limited, transient population. I also confirmed a fallow (from a local farmed herd) had escaped and been shot on the shoot. I confirmed I wanted the .243 for deer and fox so I could deal with the deer if they became a problem - I also confirmed I would provide evidence of a booked stalk if he required it. There is a question of whether the land is cleared for a .243 but the Firearms handbook from Cheshire police confirms you can request a clearance and also accompany the officer and ask questions. My FEO, despite all this considers there are no deer on the shoot, says the land isnt cleared for .243 and did not offer to review that despite it being cleared last some 10 years ago. On his confirmation I would not get a .243, I said I had offered to provide a booked stalk and that would be sent to him and, since some of the prints could have been muntjac, would he change the condition on my current (open) .223 to deer and fox (currently fox only) - he then replied as stated in my previous posts - so perhaps now you understand? Cheers I cannot find anywhere in post 34 where he mentions the land he shoots is in Cheshire only the firearms hand book as a referal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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