landrover Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 do you have to use non toxic shot for these, they are inland on a farm we shoot and the farmer wants rid of them,as far as i know no sssi is on the farm, any help please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 do you have to use non toxic shot for these, they are inland on a farm we shoot and the farmer wants rid of them,as far as i know no sssi is on the farm, any help please Assuming they are in England then the answer is yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) yes it is england why was the last post underlined Edited August 22, 2012 by landrover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Hi all, just out of intrest. Could you shoot them with a rifle ? Landed obviously, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Hi all, just out of intrest. Could you shoot them with a rifle ? Landed obviously, You can if you're licence is conditioned for them. Be aware though, Canada Geese are classed as wildfowl NOT pests/vermin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 You can if you're licence is conditioned for them. Be aware though, Canada Geese are classed as wildfowl NOT pests/vermin. Thank you, it was just a daft question, I don't intend on doing it , in fact I don't remember ever seeing any on or above my land ever lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 You can if you're licence is conditioned for them. Be aware though, Canada Geese are classed as wildfowl NOT pests/vermin. Although they fall into a group of birds we call "wildfowl" they are still what the General License class as wild birds. As such they are classed the same as rooks, crows and magpies, to name a few. As we can shoot these under the term pests/vermin can you provide a link to where in law Canada Geese shot under the GL are not classed as pests and therefore require a specific condition. Because it was my understanding that the very fact that they are on the GL makes them a pest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Although they fall into a group of birds we call "wildfowl" they are still what the General License class as wild birds. As such they are classed the same as rooks, crows and magpies, to name a few. As we can shoot these under the term pests/vermin can you provide a link to where in law Canada Geese shot under the GL are not classed as pests and therefore require a specific condition. Because it was my understanding that the very fact that they are on the GL makes them a pest. They're on the GL as they're a non native species. They are still classed as wildfowl, hence they have to be shot with non toxic shot when using a shotgun. That's the information I got from a conversation with Natural England last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 The reason for shooting them must accord with the GL. crop damage and public health. You must be able to show that non-lethal means have been tried without success. The most effective way of control would be sniping them with an appropriate rifle. Normally that would be a cf and yes you need to be conditioned for CG to use your cf on them. An all legal quarry condition would be OK, but there are not many of them about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 The reason for shooting them must accord with the GL. crop damage and public health. You must be able to show that non-lethal means have been tried without success. The most effective way of control would be sniping them with an appropriate rifle. Normally that would be a cf and yes you need to be conditioned for CG to use your cf on them. An all legal quarry condition would be OK, but there are not many of them about. Wrong. You do not have to have taken non lethal means first. As I asked Poontang, why and where is it stated that Canada Geese must me a named on one's conditions. The very fact that they are on the GL qualifies that they may be shot as pests. Many forces give AOLQ as a condition if asked, for instance mine does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 It is a condition of the general licence that it must be read and understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 use steel BBs minimum. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 steel BB's minimum? I use Steel 3's down the marsh and it brings them down much better that BB's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 General license does not give the right to just shoot away. You should have tried alternative means rather than lethal means. At least this is my understanding. Some people need to read the general license before shooting..... http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl06_tcm6-24151.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) General license does not give the right to just shoot away. You should have tried alternative means rather than lethal means. At least this is my understanding. Some people need to read the general license before shooting..... http://www.naturalen..._tcm6-24151.pdf Assuming you have read the licence, how do you interpret explanatory note o)? Edited August 23, 2012 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskoky Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 General license does not give the right to just shoot away. You should have tried alternative means rather than lethal means. At least this is my understanding. Some people need to read the general license before shooting..... http://www.naturalen..._tcm6-24151.pdf Condition 3 of this licence – which requires users to satisfy themselves that other appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem are either ineffective or impracticable - only applies to bird species that Natural England considers to be native to Great Britain (these are listed at paragraph 2(i)(a)); it does not apply to non-native species (listed at paragraphs 2(i)(B)). People may use non-lethal methods, such as scaring and proofing, for non-natives and are encouraged to do so where this is the best solution to a problem, but these methods do not need to be shown to be ineffective or impracticable before this licence can be relied upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Explanatory note R) was also re-worded this year to clarify that Canadas can still be shot under the GLs even during a statutory suspension of wildfowling in adverse weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Explanatory note R) was also re-worded this year to clarify that Canadas can still be shot under the GLs even during a statutory suspension of wildfowling in adverse weather. Its from the BASC website tonight. I dont doubt you, but I would have hoped they were up to date! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 General license does not give the right to just shoot away. You should have tried alternative means rather than lethal means. At least this is my understanding. Some people need to read the general license before shooting..... http://www.naturalen..._tcm6-24151.pdf As this thread is discussing only Canada Geese , I think it is you that needs to read and understand the General License. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Its from the BASC website tonight. I dont doubt you, but I would have hoped they were up to date! It isn't a case of doubting me or believing me. It is in the link you posted yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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