David BASC Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 BASC NI has organised an event for firearms dealers in Northern Ireland to discuss proposals to significantly increase firearms licensing fees in the Province. A public consultation on plans to increase fees and make a number of other amendments to the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004 was launched in late June by the Department of Justice (NI). The consultation document proposes a significant increase in the cost of a firearm certificate from £50 to £120. The consultation also proposes a very substantial increase in the cost of a firearms dealer’s certificate which would increase from £150 to £697. BASC NI, working in partnership with Countryside Alliance Ireland, the Gun Trade Guild NI and the Northern Ireland Firearms Dealers’ Association has organised the firearms dealers' evening which will be held on 18th September 2012 in the Island Hall, Lagan Valley Island, Lisburn, at 7pm. BASC NI has written to all 108 MLAs and extended an open invitation to them to attend the meeting. Tommy Mayne, BASC NI director, said: "The aim of the evening is to provide a forum for discussion where members of the gun trade can convey their views and the views of their customers to our politicians which should include members of the Northern Ireland Justice Committee. I would encourage all of the province’s firearms dealers to attend the event to voice their opinion on the proposals contained in the consultation." For more information and to confirm attendance, phone the BASC NI office on 029 92 605050. To find out more about the consultation visit http://www.dojni.gov...ensing-fees.htm BASC NI and the other organisations have launched a petition which opposes the fees increase and calls for a reduction in age limits to allow young people to be taught to shoot under supervision. The petition can be found here - http://www.basc.org....12F9E19B3DD6334 David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 hope they will be able to put a little weight on the poor system we have. if prices go up we need better service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymc Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I recently submitted a variation (added a new 12 bore) and it came back in 11 days! The local guys also called out to check the safe and were very polite and helpful. If (and that's a big IF) they keep that level of service up I wouldn't mind paying the extra for my certificate. Also, I'm from the country - there are too many guys who have a gun and never ever use it. Yes they have a right to keep it, but if they dont use it then what's the point? It just adds to more hassle and stress if they ever get it nicked. I think upping the license may just force them not to bother renewing and remove these extra guns out there that are not used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 the service we get now should be a lot better than it is now but havin said it's not as bad as it was this time two years ago, what we pay now (£50) is ample for all they have to do for a renewal, after that we have to pay £26 per transaction So why should we have to pay any more for this service, what they are proposing is ridiculous and another way of sticken the knife to the shootin man .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangon Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Same here, I got my variation back in 6 days, i was quick shocked it was so quick, If they keep that up happy days. However its the PSNI and they are skint so i can see the rises happening , One thing i do think is good is the Banded system, Its on annex C on the document Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 of course that is what they want.it will look good on the psni newsletter to say that x amount of guns have been surrendered for destruction. as always its the law abiding citizens who will suffer.i just hope they have to adhere to stricter timelines in applications and variations. nothing on this planet takes the time that some variations take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 the ones that do all the paper work our certificates are Civil Servants paid the Northern Ireland Office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 well i would think any other n i office would have to answer to somebody and have to adhere to time limits. think these guys should be the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjm Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I had to wait 9 weeks gettin the 223 on. absolute joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 lol mine was 10 weeks for another rimfire,thought it was bad enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I recently submitted a variation (added a new 12 bore) and it came back in 11 days! The local guys also called out to check the safe and were very polite and helpful. If (and that's a big IF) they keep that level of service up I wouldn't mind paying the extra for my certificate. Also, I'm from the country - there are too many guys who have a gun and never ever use it. Yes they have a right to keep it, but if they dont use it then what's the point? It just adds to more hassle and stress if they ever get it nicked. I think upping the license may just force them not to bother renewing and remove these extra guns out there that are not used. And this is one way for authorities to covertly tighten up gun ownership. You're not banning guns, you're just pricing more and more shooters out of owning guns. It's what they did in DC after the Supreme Court ruled the firearms ban in DC was unconstitutional. The authorities simply made it costly, in terms of money AND time, to acquire one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 If these and the other proposals go through the ****' in second hand gun market will fall out -- you'll get nest to nothin tradin in as people are not gonna pay £50 for guns they don't use !! a few months ago I sent a copy of the total proposals to a senior CPSA member who in turn passsed it on to the top of the association ~ neither of them had heard about this, the government want us to roll over and take it up the shuck and pay out to keep these civil servants in a job even though they're paid peanuts, when some of these people concerned are gettin little over minimum wage why would they keep up to date with their work incase they catch up and then some would have a chance of loosin their jobs when it could be seen that they can do it if they want, You will find since over the last year while these proposals were being drawn up and the word got around what the government was wantin to do, these civil servants got their jobs done in record quick time with add on's being done within 7 days ( i saw this myself ) so it proved they can do the job requirements under the current conditions for the money we pay for their services,in what other business would you pay a fee for a job to be done and if they took ages to do it would you not complain ? they have us here in Norn Iron over a barrel as we are afraid to rock the boat, what they don't realise is IF & when these new proposals do happen it will be a similar case like the move to the (new) current certificates when they changed over about 5 years ago, it'll take them another 2/3 years if the proposals go through and get sorted out then the CS that didn't do their jobs correctly in the first place will be out of a job, it' all boils down to money & jobs and how much they can get out of us and how much they can get done for as little possible . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 the ones that do all the paper work our certificates are Civil Servants paid the Northern Ireland Office. No they're not, and they never have been. NIO firearms dept only gets involved on thte behalf of the DOJ when the chief cons decision is appealed to the justice minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 well then the years that I've been in the gun trade here in NI I've been given the wrong information by the local firearms officers --- Not ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm afraid you have, and I should know. Although I am hardly surprised as to your assumptions as your other posts are shockingly misinformed, and misinformation is the greatest enemy the shooting community faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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