defender Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Hi all I'm new to gas automatics and I've just bought a used Armsan A612 in nice condition from a shop. I put 90 cartridges through it on my first outing and I noticed a patch of burning on the barrel so after I finished I cleaned it thoughrly. On my second outing at just over 30 cartridges I saw the patch start again so I carried on, at about 100 cartridges i noticed the stock was coming loose so I stopped using it and the patch was bigger so this time I took photos of it here's a pic with the fore end still on and here's a pic with it removed here's a pic from further away To me it looks like theres a leak between the barrel and the gas cylinder the gas piston goes in. Anyone got one or can offer advice? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Looks like it is leaking a bit. Id take it back to the shop and get a refund. Edited September 21, 2012 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Could be quite normal. I used to get that with my Remi 1100. Some of the gasses are vented through slots cut into the forend by the gas piston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco77w Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 On that last pic it looks like there's a leak, almost like a pin *****. I have the same shotgun and have never seen anythink like that on mine. It looks too localised. After cleaning can you see any imperfections in the finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted September 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 On that last pic it looks like there's a leak, almost like a pin *****. I have the same shotgun and have never seen anythink like that on mine. It looks too localised. After cleaning can you see any imperfections in the finish? When I cleaned it after the first outing it seemed ok in that area but I imagine with more use the finish in that area would degrade. It looked to me like it was "spraying" out from the join between the barrel and the piston cylinder, in theory the kind of fault that you would find in the first few months of ownership and have the assembly or the whole gun replaced under warranty. Only having had my licence for a year and it being my first semi auto I decided to put it to the pigeon watch members for experienced advice. From the posts so far the general opinion seems to be it 's faulty and needs to go back so that's what I will do today. Thanks all for your contributions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) As I said earlier I think you'll find it's normal to find sooty deposits on the barrel, as the gasses are vented through slots cut into the forend profile. Check the picture below and you can clearly see the slots, next to the arrow from no.28. It's nothing to worry about, and the barrel can be easily wiped down as part of the cleaning process. Edited September 22, 2012 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Has it happened on both sides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 As I said earlier I think you'll find it's normal to find sooty deposits on the barrel, as the gasses are vented through slots cut into the forend profile. Check the picture below and you can clearly see the slots, next to the arrow from no.28. It's nothing to worry about, and the barrel can be easily wiped down as part of the cleaning process. That's to help with cooling/ somewhere for the heat to escape. The gas shouldn't leak through the weld like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 After viewing your pics a second time I agree with Chrispti, on my 1100 I do get a bit of carbon blast from the vents but it is up more toward the rib not right at the barrel ring. I would think the company would jump on this issue as it looks unsafe to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted September 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 chrispti It was only leaking on one side Took it back to the shop today and it was deemed faulty as gas was coming out where it shouldn't so I got a refund. Now to decide on another auto for clays Thanks all for the input, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 i was planning on getting one of these too ! ****** ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted September 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) i was planning on getting one of these too ! ****** ! I think it was getting sent back to the manufacturers, I bought it used but it has prolly done maybe 50 shells it looked hardly used so the origional owner prolly didn't notice it but I'm very critical of anything wrong when I buy used. At least you know one thing to look for Edited September 23, 2012 by defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) Franchi raptor similar ish money ? http://forums.pigeon...__fromsearch__1 Have seen them cheaper http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Franchi-Fast-gun-for-sale-gs86790.aspx Edited September 24, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Franchi raptor similar ish money ? http://forums.pigeon...__fromsearch__1 Have seen them cheaper http://www.gunstar.c...le-gs86790.aspx The model I bought was the red action sporting 30 inch barrel, 3 chokes with choke case and shims and still with the cardboard box it came in. Hardly used condition for £350 very nice for the money if it wasn't for the gas leak it would still be here :( The stock coming loose was a fairly minor thing, the near 200 28g shells I put through it all cycled perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 The model I bought was the red action sporting 30 inch barrel, 3 chokes with choke case and shims and still with the cardboard box it came in. Hardly used condition for £350 very nice for the money if it wasn't for the gas leak it would still be here :( The stock coming loose was a fairly minor thing, the near 200 28g shells I put through it all cycled perfectly A girl who regularly shoots at a local straw bail clay shoot has one, she said its never once jammed nor has she experienced any other problems over the last year she's owned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Have seen raptors for £450 or get an SX3 flannigan the gun arms am copied the styling of.... Or get another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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