shootnfish Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 dont think anyone has mentiond protecting jays have they? just because some people choose not to shoot something people make rspca comments makes me laugh. suppose were not all greatwhite hunters are we though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 dont think anyone mentioned sharks,,,, reece i did put a couple on very early in the year,dont know how many so i,ll have a look and update it,,thanks for reminding me,,cheers evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 as for cats, try tying a bell round their necks, it works on my cats, a little bit of sense goes a long way. You could hang the bells of Notre Dame round your cats neck and it wouldn't make any difference to songbird chicks or fledglings. They'd just hear their killer coming from further away. The fact is that domestic cats are by far the biggest predator of urban songbirds, and the loss of rural habitat, and modern farming practices has had a far bigger impact on farmland birds than Jays ever will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 You could hang the bells of Notre Dame round your cats neck and it wouldn't make any difference to songbird chicks or fledglings. They'd just hear their killer coming from further away. The fact is that domestic cats are by far the biggest predator of urban songbirds, and the loss of rural habitat, and modern farming practices has had a far bigger impact on farmland birds than Jays ever will. Collars can reduce predation from cats, but keeping cats inside instead of giving them a right to roam has a much greater effect. But bells do only reduce predation rather than eliminate it, and the bells don't always ring when the cat is stalking slowly. Habitat loss is the main cause in the longer term, but that also makes species vulnerable. If you have a population of, say, 500 blackbirds in one area, that population can withstand predation easily. In a balanced ecosystem, this would be the case for all species. If human activity causes song thrushes to decline to, say, 20 birds in one area, then a few taken by predators have a big impact, as every one is precious. Declines make species more vulnerable to natural pressures, not just predators, but also weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 did'nt mean great white as in shark type was meant as in person who would kill last one alive because they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I'm not saying jays should be protected. It's just what I chose to do this year. This year, I didn't see many until mid summer. Numbers do seem to be increasing so I probably will take the odd one next breeding season. Especially as some rare birds have been seen once or twice in the wood this year. Just saying that the aim is control, not extermination. Which is why I left them alone this year. I won't be doing the same next year though. 94 squirrels this year? You're ahead of me - I've only had 88. Do you add your kills to the pigeon watch grey squirrel kill count? If not, see my signature for the link. just put my total down the new total is 1999 crickey ive shot a 20th of that nearly did'nt mean great white as in shark type was meant as in person who would kill last one alive because they can. :lol: you said it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickrod Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Had a Jay as a pet when i was a kid along with a pet Jackdaw,the two of them were inseperable; they were the best of mates and highly intelligent,i have never been able to shoot either species since.....Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 You could hang the bells of Notre Dame round your cats neck and it wouldn't make any difference to songbird chicks or fledglings. They'd just hear their killer coming from further away. The fact is that domestic cats are by far the biggest predator of urban songbirds, and the loss of rural habitat, and modern farming practices has had a far bigger impact on farmland birds than Jays ever will. depends if you then see if they can swim with the bell attached Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 ive never seen a barn owl take a mouse,but i know thats what they eat,just cos you aint seen it,dont mean its not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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