Interesting miss

[kent]

First thing I did but it was straight into a neighbours garden, well I say garden woodland and a few acres. Checked the woodland the other side though but could have dropped in their bramble.

oh they is gonna love you when that maggoty carcass shows up!

[al4x]

Indeed and the funny thing being thats exactly why I used the .243 sometimes you just can't win.

[Bewsher500]

 

 

I haven't had a v-max pencil either but it can happen bullet performance can never be 100%. Its common to get 100 grn deer bullets pencilling though, most well experienced stalkers used to the foibles of the .243" have experienced this many times on fox. The very idea of tougher bullets is slower less dramatic expansion. Simply put if they fragment inside the narrow chest of a fox at a couple of inches to any great extent they are unlikely to get through the shoulder of a big stag very effectively.

Granted but most 100gr soft points in 6mm are not what I would call tough. They are designed to expand to larger than calibre, retain their original weight and allow the impact velocity to carry the now larger projectile through shedding energy as it goes, It takes very little resistance to force the initial expansion. I have shot rabbits and crows with 100gr .243 and 130gr .270 and with even less mass to stop the bullet have never had a 'pencil'

I only use Soft points in those calibres

 

I am just not sure how it would happen on a fox unless the expansion failed due to poor quality bullet or poor bullet choice (very thick jacketed bullets or FMJ)

 

Has it happened to you?

Edited January 28, 2013 by Bewsher500

[Redgum]

Granted but most 100gr soft points in 6mm are not what I would call tough. They are designed to expand to larger than calibre, retain their original weight and allow the impact velocity to carry the now larger projectile through shedding energy as it goes, It takes very little resistance to force the initial expansion. I have shot rabbits and crows with 100gr .243 and 130gr .270 and with even less mass to stop the bullet have never had a 'pencil'

I only use Soft points in those calibres

 

I am just not sure how it would happen on a fox unless the expansion failed due to poor quality bullet or poor bullet choice (very thick jacketed bullets or FMJ)

 

Has it happened to you?

 

Never with a centre fire but once I shot a pigeon with the hmr while decoying. The bird flew off, never got much height and dropped stone dead about 300yds away, luckily on the way back to the truck. Small little hole in and small little hole out at 60yds.

[Bewsher500]

Never with a centre fire but once I shot a pigeon with the hmr while decoying. The bird flew off, never got much height and dropped stone dead about 300yds away, luckily on the way back to the truck. Small little hole in and small little hole out at 60yds.

 

ah thats an HMR though

you know they were designed for Taliban at 1000yds

 

probably too close to be effective

[Redgum]

 

 

ah thats an HMR though

you know they were designed for Taliban at 1000yds

 

probably too close to be effective

 

That must be it, I will put my decoys out at 1000yds in future, I would normally shoot the birds in the air with the 12gauge at that range but didnt want to show off so brought em to 30yds

[al4x]

Ok all speculation is over and I now know what the events were, after lots of baiting and trail cam out this rather unpredictable fox met its maker last night, over the last fortnight it varied times between mornings and evenings and middle of the night but just started turning up between 11 and 12pm so last night I had a sit out and shot it in the end at about 50 yards just would not stay still and had visited the bait but very very briefly then just walked towards me when it met one of sierras finest soft points. If you look closely the left rear has a patch of hair missing and there is some from the tail as well and a very superficial surface wound. Certainly not enough to make the bullet break up in my opinion so it goes with the theory of hitting something on the way through. if you click on the picture it goes to a video clip

 

Edited February 18, 2013 by al4x

[kent]

Granted but most 100gr soft points in 6mm are not what I would call tough. They are designed to expand to larger than calibre, retain their original weight and allow the impact velocity to carry the now larger projectile through shedding energy as it goes, It takes very little resistance to force the initial expansion. I have shot rabbits and crows with 100gr .243 and 130gr .270 and with even less mass to stop the bullet have never had a 'pencil'

I only use Soft points in those calibres

 

I am just not sure how it would happen on a fox unless the expansion failed due to poor quality bullet or poor bullet choice (very thick jacketed bullets or FMJ)

 

Has it happened to you?

No I just made it up! YES LOTS OF TIMES OUT FOR DEER WITH 100 GRN TOUGHER JACKETED DEER BULLETS - that's why so many different rounds are available. I tend to head shoot them with most deer bullets now (except the 95 grn Nosler B/tip) or full length them, broadside chest often end up a slow bleed out which is not always a clever thing in a public access area, close boundries etc.