aris Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Has anyone tried this method? I'm intrigued with using PVA glue instead of a crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 His 2nd video is interesting too. Uses a hand reloader kit from lee which is no longer manufactured. I like the look of the crimping tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin&Oakley Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I didn't think it was that easy to make cartridges. I have no interest in making my own cartridges, however how cost effective is it after you've bought all the materials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Takes me back to 1962....that is how I started! However, I did not have the luxury of a Lee Loader! My powders at the time were Black powder, Shultze, Nobel 60/62. My 'primers' were Eley Percussion Caps 1B. If I had used a hammer wih these....BANG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I didn't think it was that easy to make cartridges. I have no interest in making my own cartridges, however how cost effective is it after you've bought all the materials? Yes, for the almost zero outlay shown in this video - I might give it a go. I think the savings are nil for your average clay cart unless you make your own lead shot, but for specialist cartridges, you may save a bit. So really, it depends on what you're re-loading, and the quantity. .410 cartridges are ridiculously expensive - so you might save there if you can get free cartridge shells. Personally I would do it just for the satisfaction of DIY - and having a greater understanding of how different shells behave based on how they are built. The only thing which worries me is the PVA glue - might it not muck up the barrel? I like the look of that hand crimping tool in the second video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin&Oakley Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Just been researching costs based on 500 carts. Wads and cards comes in at £62. I cannot find any primer costs, powder and not sure on cost of shot. I'm trying to base this on gamebore 30g 6 clear pigeon which costs £55 for 250 so £100 - £110 for 500. Unless you can get enough shot, powder and primer for 500 carts for less then £38 it's obviously not worth it. Surely the cost of shot would be quite high? Apologies for the minor hijack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 From what I understand, the savings aren't there for your run-of-the-mill cartridge (unless you make your own shot). I don't think pigeon loads count as 'specialist' It would be interesting to see what the price point per 1000 is where re-loading does make sense. Some loads can cost £300/1000 which may make it a bit more attractive. Personally i'd rather buy them - i'm just interested in this because I like making my own anything and one could make one-off cartidges to test them out instead of buying a box of 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 i do costings all the time, the minimum pricing, with purchasing lead is about 200/k. but that could be upto 32g loads. as for premium game loads (whatever they are) about £250-300, /k. .410 can save about £50 per k, for an equivalent load of ~18grams shot. the only reason i can justify reloading is because i want to. take the .410, after 4000 shells the whole outlay breaks even. take the 10gauge, after about 800-1000 shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Yes, for the almost zero outlay shown in this video - I might give it a go. I think the savings are nil for your average clay cart unless you make your own lead shot, but for specialist cartridges, you may save a bit. So really, it depends on what you're re-loading, and the quantity. .410 cartridges are ridiculously expensive - so you might save there if you can get free cartridge shells. Personally I would do it just for the satisfaction of DIY - and having a greater understanding of how different shells behave based on how they are built. The only thing which worries me is the PVA glue - might it not muck up the barrel? I like the look of that hand crimping tool in the second video. In the days of paper cases, I used Shellac dissolved in Meths or 'French Polish' to seal my crimps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I found this place which seems to have a fairly comprehensive array of supplies. http://www.claygame.co.uk/ Are there any others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Based on prices I saw there - and the video (keep in mind i'm a noob, I may have missed something out), my back of an envelope calculation comes to: lead (6's 28 grams): 0.10pPrimer: 0.04pUsed Cartridge: 0.00pPowder (27 grains Vectan A1): 0.07pFelt Wad: 0.03pOver shot Card: 0.01p--------------total : 25p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Based on prices I saw there - and the video (keep in mind i'm a noob, I may have missed something out), my back of an envelope calculation comes to: lead (6's 28 grams): 0.10p Primer: 0.04p Used Cartridge: 0.00p Powder (27 grains Vectan A1): 0.07p Felt Wad: 0.03p Over shot Card: 0.01p -------------- total : 25p you can use AS for 1oz. A1 isnt ideal for 1oz loads, there are recipes though. if i recolect, the 27grain A1 recipe is severely low in pressure which is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) you can use AS for 1oz. A1 isnt ideal for 1oz loads, there are recipes though. if i recolect, the 27grain A1 recipe is severely low in pressure which is bad. Fair enough - it appears to be the same price as A1. Does my costing above match up with yours? Edited April 10, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 My costs for 12gauge 28gram are shell free, primers 2.4p, powder 4.7p, 28gram home made shot 4p, plastic wad 1.9p £130/k For 20gauge 24gram load shell free, primer 2.4p, powder 3.5p, 24grams home made shot 3.6p, plastic wad 1.9p £114/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 When I fancy a day on a few pheasant with BP cartridges I dig my hand tools out and make some up. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Mine about the same as Sitsinhedges. I do think a lot of us on here get PW brainwashed into trying to do our sport either cheaply or for free. Everyone has a budget to work to, some have a bigger budget than others.However, I guess part of this reloading is why do you do it? I spent a fun afternoon loading 12g shells and then brought down a cracking high bird the next day just having a quite mooch. The satisfaction was immense. I guess it would be the same for someone who makes their own flies then catches a trout/salmon. Whilst its nice to save a few quid here and there, I would still make my own if it was a quid a box more expensive. For a whole afternoons entertainment, it is a cheap hobby and very satisfying. Edited April 10, 2013 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 When I fancy a day on a few pheasant with BP cartridges I dig my hand tools out and make some up. U. What tools do you use? Has anyone tried PVA instead of a crimp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 What tools do you use? Has anyone tried PVA instead of a crimp? An old decapper and primer combined tool and a clamp on roll crimper. I also have an old Lee loader in 12g I got for £30 from a gent on here, it is so good I copied it in 20g. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Where can I find a hand crimper in the UK without buying a whole loading machine? I think I prefer a folded crimp rather than a roll crimp. Can roll crimped cartridges be reused? Edited April 10, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Where can I find a hand crimper in the UK without buying a whole loading machine? I think I prefer a folded crimp rather than a roll crimp. Can roll crimped cartridges be reused? TBH for the money you might as well pick up a lee press, new they are 50 quid, second hand as above. It will do the whole thing and accurately. Or you can just use it to do the crimping if you want to faff about doing the rest. http://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=164_181_475&products_id=1509 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Problem with the lee is the space it takes. I have scales accurate to 0.1g. I thought I might find a tool similar to the video which just does crimps. Is anything like that available in the US? I popping over in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 My tool is not the Lee loadall although I have one . Mine is the Lee loader. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://gunlore.awardspace.info/shotgun/toolpics/leeloader12ga1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://gunlore.awardspace.info/shotgun/shotreloadtool.htm&h=300&w=450&sz=30&tbnid=L97-VuOSmqapvM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlee%2Bloader%2B12%2Bgauge%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=lee+loader+12+gauge&usg=__PaAVgBdB4n6aCUKSSp_R63l4uFY=&docid=m719XfTVD0ocfM&sa=X&ei=MM5lUaa0OOzc4QTm4YCACQ&ved=0CEMQ9QEwBA&dur=240 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 My tool is not the Lee loadall although I have one . Mine is the Lee loader. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://gunlore.awardspace.info/shotgun/toolpics/leeloader12ga1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://gunlore.awardspace.info/shotgun/shotreloadtool.htm&h=300&w=450&sz=30&tbnid=L97-VuOSmqapvM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/search?q=lee+loader+12+gauge&tbm=isch&tbo=u&zoom=1&q=lee+loader+12+gauge&usg=__PaAVgBdB4n6aCUKSSp_R63l4uFY=&docid=m719XfTVD0ocfM&sa=X&ei=MM5lUaa0OOzc4QTm4YCACQ&ved=0CEMQ9QEwBA&dur=240 Great, where do I get one? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 sorry they dont make them any more Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Only a 410 at the moment but they do pop up on ebay; http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=lee+loader+12g&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=lee+loader+&_sacat=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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