00buck Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) Hi just got a s/hand 600jr I can not crimp the case it just curshes. The case can anyone help Edited May 1, 2013 by 00buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Hi just got a spare/hand 600jr I can not crimp the case it just curshes. The case can anyone help Post a pic of what's happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 either the load is too full in the case, or the crimp settings are too deep. i`m 1/2 way through a tutorial on how to do crimps. (with photostatic images.) cook. when you say spare hand, is that spare but in good condition, or absolutely mullered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) It should say s/hand As new condition It's this spell thing on my I pad Edited May 1, 2013 by 00buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) My experience is. 1) Set the rammer tube to just press the wad in so its sits on the powder and is not compressed onto the powder. Do this by slackening off the grub screw and pull the rammer tube up. Pull the handle down to its stop and then gently slide the rammer tube by hand until it seats the wad. Tighten grub screw. 2) Start with the pre-crimp as high up as the it will go by slackening both nuts and raising to the max, retighten. 3) There are two settings on the 2nd crimp. One is the cam on the handle above the 2nd crimp. Small allen bolt in it. That adjusts the top edge of the final crimp and closes the petals in. The other adjustment is the plunger that pushes into the centre of the crimp. Both are probably set too deep so they are giving you these problems. 4) Get a new unfired shell and put it into the 2nd stage. With the cam bolt, start by slackening it off and moving the cam up as far as it will go, slot upper most. Then slacken the nut under the slotted screw in the 2nd stage crimp and wind the screw up. This will raise the plunger.Keep doing this until you can pull the handle down and not make contact with the cartridge. When you are at this stage, with the handle down, gently turn the slotted screw until you feel a slight resistance. Hopefully it will have touched the factory crimp and that's your depth. This one and the cam are very sensitive so very small adjustments at a time. 5) If your crimp now looks too open, just adjust the cam back down a tiny bit, 0.5-1mm at a time. If you go too far the crimp petals will start swirling. I'm sure one of the gurus, will give you exact measurements, but this will give you an idea how it works. Hope it helps. Edited May 1, 2013 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 I will give that a try now thanks for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 No probs, report back !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I can't get this to work Been trying for hours F/up 25 new cases so gave up and loaded on the old leeload all And got a good crimp every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 is it set up for the right length of cartridge?? 65mm 70mm?? once set up they are good,also have you the correct crimp starter? john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Don't know can't find any data on how to do it I had a go with 70mm and 67mm Also changed wads Should there be a stop to set different case lengths. I am using new cases 11/8 shot load PS its a 12g Also got some bushes not the powder bushes but don't know what they are for Look like a top hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) I can't get this to work Been trying for hours F/up 25 new cases so gave up and loaded on the old leeload all And got a good crimp every time The crimp start on a MEC is designed to seek out the folds on a USED shell case. However, some folk are satisfied with the crimps of new cases when using the MEC. ME? Hell no! The crimps effected on NEW cases by a LeeLoadAll are by way of a definite 'cut' which allows the petals to meet snugly together after crimping. I can get this on all my MECs because years ago, I butchered a Lee and sawed off the 6 star crimp start. I glued in an insert and fashioned a fixing from a set-pin and two nuts. Remember, this tool does not have to spin when using new cases BUT you do need to adjust the height of it. When setting up the crimp on my MECS, I slackened off all of cams, screwed back the adjusting nuts and worked BACKWARDS from the final crimp station. By screwing down the outer and inner members onto a factory shell, I stopped adjusting when it 'felt right'. Do the same to the crimp station and adjust the cam and plunger. Set the crimp start to the correct height, (something you will have to learn!) and give it a run. Final adjustments can be made as you go. GET A GAEP SPINNER! Edited May 2, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) i can second, all these things. there is no stop for 67mm cases. working backwards to sort things out. you should have about 11mm mouth to crimp. step one, slacken off all cams like FC said, thats the cam adjuster to the left. or of you are facing the reloader, the cam comes towards you. (i have 3 settings, left, middle right) step two, with everything on the lightest settings. sort out the pre crimp by lowering it,and re-pre crimping the same shell, you can get away with very little. step 3 the final pre crimp should be adjustable, dont forget, it is east to crush the shell, i hold the base when crimp testing to see how stressed the crimp is, as the buckling would be down 5mm from the brass/ steel head. my crimp settings are about 11mm (thats from mesuring the crimp plunger rod) (this is slotted to adjust, screw up or down, i would advise you to go in 1/4 turn increments. ) after the shells are crimping, then its time to adjust with the final cam. gently does it. Edited May 2, 2013 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 step 3 the final pre crimp should be adjustable, dont forget, it is east to crush the shell, i hold the base when crimp testing to see how stressed the crimp is, as the buckling would be down 5mm from the brass/ steel head. eddited because i am a numpty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I can't get this to work Been trying for hours F/up 25 new cases so gave up and loaded on the old leeload all And got a good crimp every time Get a pic on here and the guys will be able to advise where you are going wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Or where you live and someone could help you. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Still no good with this mec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Still no good with this mec Post some pics up, then we can tell you where you going wrong. We are just fishing around in the dark otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I will try and get some on or send me your email and will send you some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 you have pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 first of all, what recipe are you reloading??? it could be that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Thanks for your help its all sorted now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 So what was the problem. Was it the mec settings or data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 It was the MEC loader or the setting I am going to stick with the loadall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I sold the MEC loader just a lot of messing around 2 days to set it up no good for me 5mins on the lee and away you go 100 cartridges in less that 1hr that will do for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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