Catweazle Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've done a search, couldn't find a relevant thread, so I'll risk asking a question on FAC conditions. My FAC was originally for vermin, so I have the recent "all legal quarry" stuff for 22RF and HMR. Recently I applied for a variation for .308 and a few other target guns, which have been granted. The new calibres aren't mentioned at all in the conditions. Is this normal for target guns ? Should I at least have some reference to them being used for target shooting ? Do I need to send the FAC back and get it changed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 They should indeed be mentioned. I'm sorry to say your fac needs to go back for correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 As Charlie says best to ask and send it back but I do have my conditions linked to all rifles but it does list them first but from the conditions the HMR could be taken to include deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 As Charlie says best to ask and send it back but I do have my conditions linked to all rifles but it does list them first but from the conditions the HMR could be taken to include deer How could the HMR be taken to include deer it says " all legal quarry " and the HMR is not legal for deer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Mine specifies the rifles .17 .223 and .243 shall be used for pest control and deer obviously you can't use the hmr on deer but that's what is written Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Mine specifies the rifles .17 .223 and .243 shall be used for pest control and deer obviously you can't use the hmr on deer but that's what is written Mine takes it one step further by stating "The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting fox/deer and any other lawful quarry" Remember, FAC conditions do not override the deer act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted May 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 The conditions section is a mess. Surely it's not too much to ask the various forces to get their act together on this. Looks like my FAC is going back again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I think it's more a case of one of the office girls making a clerical mistake. Some years back a variation of mine came back all to cock, when I phoned and spoke to the girl who did it she apologized saying she was a temp and had only started yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) The conditions section is a mess. Surely it's not too much to ask the various forces to get their act together on this. Looks like my FAC is going back again. The conditions themselves are a total mess and most aren't even intelligible by the normal rules of English. I suspect that this is what was being referred to in the BASC/ACPO press release when they refer to "unenforcible" conditions. If they want to restrict the holder to only doing one thing and not others then they should explicitly say that via the use of the word "only" but they vary rarely do. Even when they do it is almost always unnecessary and serves no public safety purpose. A case in point is the condition that is sometimes applied in the case of rifles acquired for use abroad which says something to the effect that it may be carried to and from a port where you leave and enter the country and that it may not be fired in the UK. What on earth is the need for that? If the guy decides to fire it in this country what difference does it make as long as it is done lawfully? If you have a firearm certificate then you should be able to use the firearms it relates to for any lawful purpose, regardless of what specific good reason you initially had in order to obtain authority to acquire them. If a person who owns a .308 rifle which he initially got for target shooting decides to go deer stalking with it then why should he not be allowed to do so as long as he is doing it legally and why is it of any concern to the police? J. Edited May 30, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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