OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) guys i have a problem, i cant get the 2nd cartridge to load into the magazine tube and i cant figure out how to get the tube off the gun, i have taken the end cap off out of the tube and the spring came out but i cant get the thing that moves up and down inside the tube to come out it seems like its stuck, does anyone have any ideas? cheers Edited June 19, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartph Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Its the crimp in the mag tube thats stopping the follower coming out unless you have a section 1 gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) what do i do then mate? its stuck and wont move its a 3 shot semi Edited June 19, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 is it a new or old hatsan? are you trying to load a longer cart than it will accept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 its the newer model with extended chokes, no im not trying to load a longer cart, i cant load any cart as the thing wont move. i have the spring out now and it still wont move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartph Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Has the follower gumed up in the tube ? the follower isnt stuck by the crimp is it Naiper cleaner or a spray like gt85 down the tube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) whats the follower and whats the crimp, the thing that you push with a cartridge that goes up the magazine tube will not move its totally stuck Edited June 19, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 the bit you push with a cart, is what the spring sits behind, thus if you have the spring out, and the follower still won't push back, it must be gummed up, try some spray as advised, it needs to be pushed evenly and not lopsided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartph Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 On the mag tube there will be a crimp mark that the proof house do to restrict the capacity, its almost like an o ring could good there Yes the follower is what is between the spring and a cartridge, if its plastic it could be broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 and whats the crimp, the crimp is just a dent in the tube, so that only 2 carts can be inserted, removing the dent would although you to load more carts in, making it a sec 1 shotgun, and illegal if your not certificated for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 sprayed degreaser and bore cleaner and still wont move, its like jammed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Is the folower stuck around where the cartridges load in the mag, if so try unscrewing the mag tube, it should be locked glued in but may not be, and if its started to come lose it could have backed out enough to let the lip of the folower drop between the base of the tube and the reciever and untill its fed back into the tube and then the tube retightened it will jam / keep jaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) yeh bb its stuck thre, i have removed the 2 screws at the end of the mag tube and tried pulling the mag tube and twisting it and it wont move i cant get the mag tube off the gun Edited June 19, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 You haven't pressed the button near the feeder by chance, the one that cuts off the magazine feed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) which button?the magazine cut off? i have pressed it and depressed and it still doesnt do anything and now i have taken it out of the gun Edited June 19, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 yeh bb its stuck thre, i have removed the 2 screws at the end of the mag tube and tried pulling the mag tube and twisting it and it wont move i cant get the mag tube off the gun Is there any movement at all of the follower or is it rock solid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 rock solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 http://www.hatsan.com.tr/pdf/Escort_Semi_Auto_Shotgun/Escort_Instruction_Manual_GB.pdf exploded diagram here if it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 already got one thanx, but it doesnt help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx3 clay breaker Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Wack it with a screwdriver and a hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 u surious or joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 If you cant get it moving you are in the proverbial i am affraid to say. With the mag tube being crimped or slieved to restrict the capacity about the only thing you will struggle to change is this follower, You have to try to turn or free the follower, but be gentle. If it wont move its got to come out past the crimp by pressing it out or unscrewing the mag tube from the reciever no other way, you could try a black and decker heat gun to try and break the gule bond on the threads of the tube you may get lucky, flattening out the crimp again is difficult, you may have to get it to an RFD or gunshop get a little brutal with it and get the tube off the reciever replace the tube and reproof it. Edgars is your best bet to get this solved if you cant get it to move, they restrict them and they will know what to do Give them a ring is my advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I threw you a red herring with the button, just tried mine and it'll take carts pressed or not, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 ok thanx everyone i will be taking the gun to a gunsmith tomorrow in a few pieces :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx3 clay breaker Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Serious if you've taken in the spring out then soak with wd over night and tap if for the port end in the morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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