henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 probabky spot on though. Yeah, spot the racist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Where is he being racist? You might not like the phraseology he uses, but his point is valid. Edited August 7, 2013 by keg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yeah, spot the racist... Harsh. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glb8686 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yeah, spot the racist... Go look up the definition of 'racist' then come back and post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 I'm not really sure how UKIP get branded racist. I suspect it is a whisper campaign from those who fear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 If you deride another race or community as inferior such as the term "Bongo bongo land" then yes, a racist he is. I'm not really sure how UKIP get branded racist. I suspect it is a whisper campaign from those who fear them. Your kidding, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 If you deride another race or community as inferior such as the term "Bongo bongo land" then yes, a racist he is. Your kidding, right? Exactly who lives in Bongo Bongo land and who are their citizens? UKIP are not racist. They are political party based on libertarian values. The BNP - yes, I think you can class them as racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others 2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief Above is quoted directly from the Collins English dictionary. I say again, you might not like his phrasing but he is certainly not stating anything like the above. It's a free world. I don't think it's normal to be gay, am I a homophobe?. I support anyone's right to their own sexuality and would defend it to the hilt. Some people don't think it's normal to own guns. Where do we stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 So by using the words bongo bongo land he is refering to a land that does not exist so he should be treated in a psychiatric wing of a hospital as he is talking rubbish, or is that a UKIP membership trait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 So by using the words bongo bongo land he is refering to a land that does not exist so he should be treated in a psychiatric wing of a hospital as he is talking rubbish, or is that a UKIP membership trait? You tell me how it is racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Simples, he is belittling someone of a different ethnic background. If he isn`t then he is in need of help. BTW - if UKIP are a libertarian organisation what are they doing for those of other views such as radical clerics, is their political view any less valid? Why do they believe in state intervention, are they just a certain type of libertarian group i.e. My way or the highway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangon Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Id be happy with that "My way or the Highway" Its about time someone stood up for our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Simples, he is belittling someone of a different ethnic background. If he isn`t then he is in need of help. BTW - if UKIP are a libertarian organisation what are they doing for those of other views such as radical clerics, is their political view any less valid? Why do they believe in state intervention, are they just a certain type of libertarian group i.e. My way or the highway? So which ethnicities are they belittling? I didn't say they were a libertarian organisation - I said they had libertarian values. If someone wants to come to the UK and be a guest here - they should adhere to British values. Some radical clerics don't - and in fact they put two fingers up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Simples, he is belittling someone of a different ethnic background. If he isn`t then he is in need of help. BTW - if UKIP are a libertarian organisation what are they doing for those of other views such as radical clerics, is their political view any less valid? Why do they believe in state intervention, are they just a certain type of libertarian group i.e. My way or the highway? Henry you may strongly disagree with the wording, but the UKIP message has a lot of fans. A lot of voters strongly disagree with the waffle and downright lies issued by the other parties, and prefer the direct, no-nonsense noises coming from UKIP. Why should we send £sqillions to countries that have nuclear bombs and millions of underfed, starving people when their rulers live in palaces? Not only that, but these countries are the 1st to jump on the ethnic bandwagon when it comes to knocking the UK. The Aussie don't mess about, and they don't seem to have some of the issues that we have...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) ARIS - If he isn`t belittling anyone then he is speaking total rubbish. He is just twisting his words, as you are, as he has been caught out. Put as simply as I can, he has belittled every country that gets aid from the UK so therefore he has referred to each of these in a belittling way and as such I feel that I can refer to him as a racist. **edited due to cross post. Edited August 7, 2013 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 You might do well to look up the BNP and see how many ex Labour members they have......don't see that being highlighted though...not damaging to UKIP you see..... I see people on facebook who I know are staunch Labour men through and through posting the EDL's pictures so please don'y bother with the UKIP=Racist mantra...I don't buy it and neither do the majority. Scaremongering out of fear of the rise of something which threatens to challenge the existence of those who sit in Ivory Towers. Bongo Bongo land to me is a representation of a 3rd world country which is a recipient of our ridiculously generous aid programme and I see nothing wrong with it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Henry you may strongly disagree with the wording, but the UKIP message has a lot of fans. A lot of voters strongly disagree with the waffle and downright lies issued by the other parties, and prefer the direct, no-nonsense noises coming from UKIP. Why should we send £sqillions to countries that have nuclear bombs and millions of underfed, starving people when their rulers live in palaces? Not only that, but these countries are the 1st to jump on the ethnic bandwagon when it comes to knocking the UK. The Aussie don't mess about, and they don't seem to have some of the issues that we have...... The issue, as you say, is his choice of words, otherwise we would not have a story here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Picking up on your point about his wording, whilst I do not like the words used against the country we all live in by the extremist clerics, it's free speech so I might not agree with those words, but I have to defend free speech, same with UKIP, it's a free world and as Dead-Eyed has pointed out, a lot of people are turning to UKIP. Personally, whilst agreeing with a lot of what they say, there is not enough detail behind the economic side of things so I will not be voting for them just yet but if they get that side of things right, they will get my vote. Aussies have got it bang on in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Id be happy with that "My way or the Highway" Its about time someone stood up for our country. My point exactly, that ideal is authoritarian not libertarian and whilst people such as Godfrey may bandy the term about they only use it as they see fit. I have to admit that he will make a good politician with his weasel words and his attempts to brave it out when caught out fairly and squarely, but the fact remains, he is a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangon Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 realist or racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 No typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 ARIS - If he isn`t belittling anyone then he is speaking total rubbish. He is just twisting his words, as you are, as he has been caught out. Put as simply as I can, he has belittled every country that gets aid from the UK so therefore he has referred to each of these in a belittling way and as such I feel that I can refer to him as a racist. Putting Britain first isn't racist, it patriotic. I think you may have your definitions muddled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 My point exactly, that ideal is authoritarian not libertarian and whilst people such as Godfrey may bandy the term about they only use it as they see fit. I have to admit that he will make a good politician with his weasel words and his attempts to brave it out when caught out fairly and squarely, but the fact remains, he is a racist. It would seem your views are in the minority......not racist at all but offensive to lovers of PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Aussies have got it bang on in my view. The aussie mantra for immigrants is FIFO. Fit In or **** Off. Problem is as soon as anyone has the gall to ask guests to this country to fit in, they call the race card. I suspect UKIP will get a huge boost in support in 2014 when British borders open up even further - something which we as a sovereign nation will have no control over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Putting Britain first isn't racist, it patriotic. I think you may have your definitions muddled. The two are different and cannot be muddled, though you have tried to. I stand by my words, if you belittle another race/ethnicity then you are a racist, no matter how much you twist it about with rhetoric and there is nothing wrong with patriotism unless it is used against another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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