magman Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 had the fao round today ,bit confused all went well accept he told me that you won't get .17hmr for fox as basc have done an article saying it,s not a suitable round ? just tried searching the basc website and found this http://www.basc.org.uk/content/mammals check out the last few line,s 22 rf for fox ? anybody else not had .17hmr past for close fox or is it just me . don't no if i will get the .223 said you might . didn't no ? just blowing off steam regard,s rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Intersting Rob, I would get the BASC involved if you are unhappy with the outcome. "Small calibre rifles, such as a .22 rimfire, and shotguns with large shot can be effective at short ranges, but shots must be taken within the ability of the gun and its user" I think is the relevant bit, doesn't define what a short range is though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Pat Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 If you are a member of BASC then give them a ring. If you are not, then join and give them a ring. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 will wait and see what happens, dont want to stir up trouble if not needed . he did say he would try to get the .17hmr for fox ? nice and friendly though . still like to hear of anybody thats not had .17hmr passed for fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 at least i wont be on me own then mark thank,s rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 if they refuse the 17 hmr for foxes, then you must get the 223 for em. which is a lot better by the way. and you can reload it mate. loads of fun coming your way.enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 then you must get the 223 for em.which is a lot better by the way. and you can reload it mate. loads of fun coming your way.enjoy. thought that and asked the same question he said you still might not get the .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 good luck magman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 thought that and asked the same question he said you still might not get the .223 are you of dubious character, have you no where to use the 223. if you answer yes to the first one of the above, then fair do,s. if you answer no to the second then ,no you wont get it. if it no to first and yes to the second, then they have no grounds to refuse you. do not let them railroad you, ask for reasons for refusal in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owenwill Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Had my feo visit on Wednesday(North Wales), I put in for 22 for vermin control and 17 for vermin/fox control, he said shouldn't be problem to get both, he even said that 17hmr was an excellent rifle for fox control, couldn't quite believe my ears after hearing the differing views on the subject on this forum, all in all he was a decent bloke, less than a month since I sent application, was amazed to get visit so soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Had my feo visit on Wednesday(North Wales), I put in for 22 for vermin control and 17 for vermin/fox control, he said shouldn't be problem to get both, he even said that 17hmr was an excellent rifle for fox control, couldn't quite believe my ears after hearing the differing views on the subject on this forum, all in all he was a decent bloke, less than a month since I sent application, was amazed to get visit so soon well done owen. its a shame its not like this across the country. what you getting.please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 will wait and see what happens, dont want to stir up trouble if not needed .he did say he would try to get the .17hmr for fox ? nice and friendly though . still like to hear of anybody thats not had .17hmr passed for fox KDUBYA was turned down as well yet i got it no problem same county as well :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 if it no to first and yes to the second, then they have no grounds to refuse you. do not let them railroad you, ask for reasons for refusal in writing. correct but say,s i don't have enough experience only 30 yrs with a shotgun . have shot 22lr and .223 before :unsure: Had my feo visit on Wednesday(North Wales), I put in for 22 for vermin control and 17 for vermin/fox control, he said shouldn't be problem to get both, he even said that 17hmr was an excellent rifle for fox control, couldn't quite believe my ears after hearing the differing views on the subject on this forum, all in all he was a decent bloke, less than a month since I sent application, was amazed to get visit so soon finger,s crossed i might get the same plus a .223 well done owen funny you might even be 10 mile away but such a difference as mark say,s what you going for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owenwill Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Yet to decide which calibre to go for, would love both but funds/wife dictate just the one for time being, if I go down the 22 route it will probably be a CZ Silhouette, 17 would be a Varmint. .22 is favourite at mo mainly because of it being more or less silent when moderated and obviously a lot cheaper to feed. We don't have a big issue with foxes at the moment, the biggest pest on the farm now apart from bunnies is bloody magpies. The research I've done into the calibre choice on PW has been invaluable, gave me lot more confidence with FEO, hope not too long for cert to arrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 have shot 22lr and .223 before so how can they throw no experiance at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 if I go down the 22 route it will probably be a CZ Silhouette, don't buy the last one thats what i was looking at :unsure: great minds think alike have shot 22lr and .223 before so how can they throw no experiance at you. lack of experiance they said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owenwill Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 I can't believe the inconsistency of FEO's in neighbouring countys, to have such contrasting views on 17hmr seems bizzare. As for experience with firearms, I just said I had been shooting with gamekeeper friend a few times, he seemed ok with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 even shown him 1/2" groups with the .223 that i kept from when i went out with don of this site ? have to wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 had the fao round today ,bit confused all went well accept he told me that you won't get .17hmr for fox as basc have done an article saying it,s not a suitable round ? just tried searching the basc website and found this http://www.basc.org.uk/content/mammals check out the last few line,s 22 rf for fox ? anybody else not had .17hmr past for close fox or is it just me . don't no if i will get the .223 said you might . didn't no ? just blowing off steam regard,s rob I think he is referring to this, taken from here: http://www.basc.org.uk/content/centrefire "It has been BASC's view for some time that rimfire rifles in many circumstances are not the ideal calibre for shooting foxes. In open country their effective range is limited and they do not kill consistently. This view has been supported by the many comments we have received from members on the matter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Well I was told that my 17hmr would not be allowed to have fox as a provision.. nor will my 22lr... I was told that the only way to get a foxing gun will be to go down the centre fire route... so I applied for a .223... I am still waiting for the visit... which should have happened last week Oh well I am not in any rush.... but I will call them today... as the visiting civilian "officer" has been ill for a while.... 3 weeks to be exact! I dont fancy getting what ever he got! Anyway good luck... my FLO will only give allow centre fires.... for foxes... I dont argue.. on the strange side.. she offered me a pistol!!! I said NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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