Danoi99 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I know that the barrel has to be a min24 inches and smooth bore etc, what are the limitations on stock type and length? Thinking of pimping up a cheap single barrel as a super short range pigeon gun . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy1146 Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 24 inch barrel and 40 inches overall length i believe. Can have a barrel less than 24 inches on an fac as long as its not pump or semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 If it is not a semi or a pump then there is no overall length limit as long as the barrel is greater than 24" in length it falls under the legal definition of a shotgun section 2 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klatuveradanikto Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Could someone clarify the sliding stock situation on pumps and semi's as i thought the measurement had to be made at it's shortest setting in order to get the 40 inches overall length ,(most sliding stocks won't reach 40 inches overall length in there shortest setting) however i have heard that this has been changed lately so not sure what the rule is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 No change i'm aware of but would be interested to know if it has been changed!. The measurement is usually taken with the stock collapsed if it cannot be readily removed from the gun, or completely removed if its easy to take off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 The measurement must be taken at the shortest point , When folded or collapsed it must be greater than 40". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 If it is not a semi or a pump then there is no overall length limit as long as the barrel is greater than 24" in length it falls under the legal definition of a shotgun section 2 . That don't sound correct to me matey! As far as I am aware there is no distinction between the overall lengths of different action types! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 That don't sound correct to me matey! As far as I am aware there is no distinction between the overall lengths of different action types! U. Section 5 (1) (ac) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 There was a mass debate about this overall length of a shotgun with a sliding/collapsible stock a while back as I fitted one in my wingmaster. I took it off in the end as I rang my FEO and he said that if it had one in the gun you would have to disregard one been fitted so it would be measured from the muzzle to the beginning of the receiver , that made it too short . However another police force did mention something along the lines of a section 1 shotgun being used for PSG shooting would be allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Section 5 (1) (ac) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/5 Lost me there Mr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Lost me there Mr! try clicking on the link and then reading the relevant section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 try clicking on the link and then reading the relevant section Yes....and.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Yes....and.... Too tired mate. Forget it. The OP got his answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Lop a 30" barrelled guns stock down to just 6" so the whole item is less than 40" its illegal......no? A 24" single with a 14" stock (+2" for the action) is just legal....no? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Lost me there Mr! It's a link to the piece of legislation which deals with minimum lengths of shotguns according to action type. Section 5(ac) is the part of it you need to read. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) There was not a restriction on the overall length of a shotgun until the Hungerford shooting , Together with the ban on semi and pump centre fire rifles they also sneaked in to section 5 semi or pump action shotguns with a overall length of less than 40" or a barrel of less than 24". Everything else single shot /ou/sxs/boltaction/lever action etc only needs to have a barrel of 24" to be a section 2 shotgun . If the barrel is less than 24" it is not then a section 2 shotgun but becomes a section 1 firearm which then must have an overall length greater than 600mm and a minimum barrel length of 300mm, anything less than this is defined as a small firearm and banned from general possession under section 5 of the firearm's act. Edited September 27, 2013 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted September 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Wow,lots of info here. So when they say barrel length, is that 24 inch limit from the end of the chamber? Or do they mean the whole lot? Am thinking of playing around with dimensions of a beat up old single barrel shotgun. Can I have it with just a pistol grip? Just want to see how far I could go with the modifications really. Would never dream of butchering a decent gun......this thing is gonna cost me £10, just doing it for fun. Thanks for all your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 AFAIK barrel length is measured from the point of ignition (i.e. the bolt face) to the tip of the muzzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 So.....call me a dummy thats fine but just to be sure.....I can on a section 2 shotgun cert legally use a single barreled 12g shotgun and semi pistol grip the stock so the overal would be way under 40"? U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) So.....call me a dummy thats fine but just to be sure.....I can on a section 2 shotgun cert legally use a single barreled 12g shotgun and semi pistol grip the stock so the overal would be way under 40"? U Not sure what a semi-auto pistol grip is, but if you just mean something like this; Then yes you can put one on any action shotgun which ISN'T a pump or semi providing the barrel is at least 24" on a Shotgun Certificate. Edited September 27, 2013 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Well I'll be........Never knew that! Thanks. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted September 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 So I CAN saw the stock off and cut the barrels off to 24 inches Hee hee, this thing is gonna look mental !! What fun !!! Bet it will take some holding onto with 32gm clear pigeon carts going through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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