darren m Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 At our clay ground we have been told that we must use steel from now on , something to do with DEFRA and shooting over crops . Anyway does anyone here shoot steel for clays , how do they perform thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Not a clay shooter but I busted a few with no.4 steel the other week (remember you get a higher shot count for weight as it is lighter). I believe that steel holds less of a string and remember those chokes it patterns real tight 1/2 in steel is like full in lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 At our clay ground we have been told that we must use steel from now on , something to do with DEFRA and shooting over crops . Anyway does anyone here shoot steel for clays , how do they perform thanks Should this be correct and have nothing to do with the volume of shot fired at a clay range, then we're in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 i`ve fired 1000 gamebore steel shells in a day. the #9 shot is just for skeet. the 7s are for sporting 24g if recoil sensitive. the full 28gram loads if you want alot of shot in the air. 28gram of steel #9s is a huge shotcount i think ~500 but will confirm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 oh, try and use as little choke as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Should this be correct and have nothing to do with the volume of shot fired at a clay range, then we're in trouble. agree its a bit worrying . apparently its word of mouth via the farmer , who farms the crown owned land that we rent and run the club on . all 3 disciplines shoot over agricultural fields and have done for around 20 years , but now we are told the farmer is liable for a massive fine if lead is used in the future. the fall out is only on small parts of the fields and by now must be well contamiated. we are waiting for some sort of official paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 i`ve fired 1000 gamebore steel shells in a day. the #9 shot is just for skeet. the 7s are for sporting 24g if recoil sensitive. the full 28gram loads if you want alot of shot in the air. 28gram of steel #9s is a huge shotcount i think ~500 but will confirm thanks , the club as ordered in a couple of 1,000 gamebore 24gr and 28gr 7.5 just to try out . if it performs ok i dont mind as long as it does,nt damage the guns over long term use one chap users a black powder hammer gun with damascus barrels , so god knows what he'll do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 thanks , the club as ordered in a couple of 1,000 gamebore 24gr and 28gr 7.5 just to try out . if it performs ok i dont mind as long as it does,nt damage the guns over long term use one chap users a black powder hammer gun with damascus barrels , so god knows what he'll do cry? the #9 are fantastic on skeet. bit limp on the long range stuff. shoot off a few k, you`ll know what i mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 agree its a bit worrying . apparently its word of mouth via the farmer , who farms the crown owned land that we rent and run the club on . all 3 disciplines shoot over agricultural fields and have done for around 20 years , but now we are told the farmer is liable for a massive fine if lead is used in the future. the fall out is only on small parts of the fields and by now must be well contamiated. we are waiting for some sort of official paperwork. Ah! That's a little different. It may well not be DEFRA or crops, but the farmer having his tea leaves read. I built a clay range on a MoD ranges complex for recreational use by the troops and was then permitted to form a civilian club to use it - again purely recreationally - ie, no 'open' competitions. All was well until it was realised that as the UK armed forces were shrinking and land was being sold off there was eventually going to be an almighty bill for decontamination prior to being able to place anything 'iffy' on the market so it may just be time to start cleaning up the MoD's act. As a result we had to stop shooting and a short time later I had to demolish it. The crown, just like the MoD, will be held responsible and just like the Mod will attempt to offload the responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 If you could send me a copy of any correspondence I would appreciate it David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Did they want fibre wad too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 what is the carbon footprint of steel shells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 If you could send me a copy of any correspondence I would appreciate it David Not sure who you're talking to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 thanks , the club as ordered in a couple of 1,000 gamebore 24gr and 28gr 7.5 just to try out . if it performs ok i dont mind as long as it does,nt damage the guns over long term use one chap users a black powder hammer gun with damascus barrels , so god knows what he'll do Tis a big worry for us front stuffer users U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Darren or any other member of PW who get a letter from DEFRA or anyone else over this issue Edited October 3, 2013 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manton Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I found this topic quite interesting as I have personally experience of some of the issues mentioned. Steel shot shoots very well at skeet but the owner of my local club has notices displayed indicating that anyone found using it will be asked to leave, this is apparently due to the fact that several people have had experienced quite severe problems with shot bouncing of targets and hitting the covered shooting stands. At another club a farmer walked up to a club official and said " I had a D.E F R A official out looking at the field next to your shooting ground and he says it is heavily contaminated with lead shot what are you going to do about it". I am not sure what way it was eventually settled but the club closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Tell the farmer to tell the defra commie go stick his clip board up where the sun dont shine and get a proper job! Just a suggestion.... U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I found this topic quite interesting as I have personally experience of some of the issues mentioned. Steel shot shoots very well at skeet but the owner of my local club has notices displayed indicating that anyone found using it will be asked to leave, this is apparently due to the fact that several people have had experienced quite severe problems with shot bouncing of targets and hitting the covered shooting stands. IIRC and no doubt someone will either be able to confirm this or correct me, I think the MoD splash-back distance distance for steel shot was doubled that specified for lead shot from 10 to 20 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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