bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Er, perhaps we might refer back to the 3 rd reply to the original question from the OP! I come in because i like to back up the opinion of those who know what they are talking about and argue with the pedantic types who just derail the post to prove their prior illegitimate/unwanted statements/quests correct. I am by the way an RFD of a different type to JonathanL but thank for, and defer to, advice freely given (it doesent directly apply to my transactions) by those who know more. well I am learning loads today I did not realise there was more than one type of rfd unless you are a sect 5 rfd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I take my takings to the bank in a cloth bag and walk in with it. J. Well my wife drops mine in on the way home from the school run, maybe see could pop down to GMK as well for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Well my wife drops mine in on the way home from the school run, maybe see could pop down to GMK as well for me? would you not trust the royal mail with your cash then.well she only has to call herself a delivery driver and I am sure they would give her as many guns as you could manage. Edited December 8, 2013 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 it would be a very time consuming and worrying time for you if a firearm that you posted was to go missing even more so if you only used normal first class post as you would have no proof of ever posting it in the first place.the police would be involved and there would be lots of questions. Unless of course you had the presence of mind to ask for "proof of postage"................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Unless of course you had the presence of mind to ask for "proof of postage"................. or you could do as I did and pass ownership to rfd then it is nothing further to do with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Where woud you stand if you posted a firearm to an RFD and it went missing en route? I'm thinking that doing the transaction RFD to RFD may be worth the peace of mind. I don't see that there is any greater risk if you send it to the RFD than if the RFD sends it somewhere. No it wouldn't be good if it went missing but neither would it if it went missing from whatever system an RFD used. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 or you could do as I did and pass ownership to rfd then it is nothing further to do with you. You could, then the RFD pops down to Post office to send it on... Charging you £25+ for privilege....... This doesn't help people who live miles from local RFD or need parts etc sent to them, repairs done or returned..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 it would be a very time consuming and worrying time for you if a firearm that you posted was to go missing even more so if you only used normal first class post as you would have no proof of ever posting it in the first place.the police would be involved and there would be lots of questions. Yes, it would be worrying and, yes, questions would be asked and rightly so. However, you can get a free proof of posting issued at the time you send it. Also, it could still go missing if an RFD sends it and I'm still not hearing any evidence as to why the Royal Mail is inherently less secure than any other carrier. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 You could, then the RFD pops down to Post office to send it on... Charging you £25+ for privilege....... This doesn't help people who live miles from local RFD or need parts etc sent to them, repairs done or returned..... in the blue corner. £25 to the rfd in the red corner hours of endless fun with the police......... difficult one that. I live miles away from rfd and probably drive past a dozen post offices on the way there.how do these people get their cartridges do they pay over inflated prices to have them delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 how do these people get their cartridges do they pay over inflated prices to have them delivered. Yep thats why Just cartridges exists.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 well I am learning loads today I did not realise there was more than one type of rfd unless you are a sect 5 rfd. There is no such thing as a 'section 5'. RFD. Some RFD's have section 5 authority but there isn't a specific type of RFD for section 5 gear. An RFD may be restricted in the types of things he may sell or in the way in which he does business which is done by placing a condition on the certificate of registration. For instance you can be registered as a firearms dealer for reasons other than just selling guns and ammunition. Being an RFD is, essentially, a defence to unlawful possession. So, if you are an engraver or an engineer who does work on firearms you can be registered as a RFD as you need to be able to possess the firearms while you work on them. Such RFD's may never ever sell a firearm by way of business but they are still registered firearms dealers. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 would you not trust the royal mail with your cash then.well she only has to call herself a delivery driver and I am sure they would give her as many guns as you could manage. Cash wouldn't be insured though. If it was then, yes, I'd trust them with it. Your original point though, which again you seem to be trying to diverge from, was that you seemed to be trying to say that guns should be transported by armoured car or other special high security method. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 or you could do as I did and pass ownership to rfd then it is nothing further to do with you. I would put very good money on the fact that at no time did you pass ownership to the RFD who sent it for you. If you did indeed do that then he could have kept it and not paid you for it. You passed him possession which is an entirely different concept. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have often had Royal Mail deliver cash to me in excess of £1000 worth ( euros and dollars) all properly insured no hitch, I have also my iPhone by Royal Mail twice did once have an item go missing a toiletry bag being returned to me after I left it behind damn shame I really liked that bag.... Got compensation for it tho, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 There is no such thing as a 'section 5'. RFD. Some RFD's have section 5 authority but there isn't a specific type of RFD for section 5 gear. An RFD may be restricted in the types of things he may sell or in the way in which he does business which is done by placing a condition on the certificate of registration. For instance you can be registered as a firearms dealer for reasons other than just selling guns and ammunition. Being an RFD is, essentially, a defence to unlawful possession. So, if you are an engraver or an engineer who does work on firearms you can be registered as a RFD as you need to be able to possess the firearms while you work on them. Such RFD's may never ever sell a firearm by way of business but they are still registered firearms dealers. J. well you must forgive me as the site I looked on said that if you wanted sect 5 you had to apply to the home office so would that not produce registration on a register connected to firearms. I do realise that an rfd does not entitle you to use the firearms only to hold them for business to trade I guess. I have never said the post office were any worse than any other carrier.they all lose stuff and when I say lose most cases it stolen.believe it or not back in 96 I had a ford escort engine LOST by a carrier bringing it from Norwich.was it lost?.only an engine yet it took over six months to get compensation. I have said a few times now that I accept it is allowed under law to send firearms through the post. I do not however think it is the best practice.my own view only. yet some on here still cannot let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 would you not trust the royal mail with your cash then.well she only has to call herself a delivery driver and I am sure they would give her as many guns as you could manage. I would trust them but wouldn't pay them to do something I can easily do myself. It's a bit like paying an RFD £25 to post a parcel for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Cash wouldn't be insured though. If it was then, yes, I'd trust them with it. Your original point though, which again you seem to be trying to diverge from, was that you seemed to be trying to say that guns should be transported by armoured car or other special high security method. J. I have never mentioned armoured car I do think there should be a higher level of security around firearm they have to be secure in my home and I am sure they have to be secure in shops.but it seems not when in the back of a transit van outside the café at brekkie time.perhaps you should speak to hdav as he sends or receives cash through the post insured!!! Edited December 8, 2013 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I would put very good money on the fact that at no time did you pass ownership to the RFD who sent it for you. If you did indeed do that then he could have kept it and not paid you for it. You passed him possession which is an entirely different concept. J. I think for a rfd you are getting a little bit churlish in your reply I have the receipts which were given to me and the notification slip he provides for his customers to send to the police.and on them he states I have sold the gun to him.please do not refer to me as a liar.the purchasers paid me direct for the guns all my rfd asked was that I had been paid.he is a gunsmith/rfd of exceptional standards and a perfectionist in all he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Yep thats why Just cartridges exists.................. so your plan to not pay a dealer a pound or two to do a transfer but pay a fortune for delivery of cartridges and from the price list I saw on their site I could get them cheaper from local dealers.why pay for delivery when you can do it yourself is that not the sentiment Edited December 8, 2013 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 so your plan to not pay a dealer a pound or two to do a transfer but pay a fortune for delivery of cartridges and from the price list I saw on their site I could get them cheaper from local dealers.why pay for delivery when you can do it yourself is that not the sentiment not for me, but for people who do not have a local dealer or one that isnt within a reasonable drive Just cartridges have a market. As for paying a dealer a pound or 2 you must have some very charitable dealers round your way...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 not for me, but for people who do not have a local dealer or one that isnt within a reasonable drive Just cartridges have a market. As for paying a dealer a pound or 2 you must have some very charitable dealers round your way...... as with your local dealers I guess a lot comes down to what type of customer you are.yes I have earned a few perks with my chap so much so that I will never need go elsewhere.its as important to build a good relationship with your seller and your customer.pays dividends in the long run both ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumoboy Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have only been on this forum a short time but must comment that a lot of threads seem quite hostile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 in the blue corner. £25 to the rfd in the red corner hours of endless fun with the police......... difficult one that.ip I live miles away from rfd and probably drive past a dozen post offices on the way there.how do these people get their cartridges do they pay over inflated prices to have them delivered. Fortunately there are retailers other than shops that deal with guns who sell ammo, our local sports shop for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Fortunately there are retailers other than shops that deal with guns who sell ammo, our local sports shop for one. and that is very good as long as you are happy with this then no worries.i have two suppliers that I visit for carts one is the rfd and another is a game dealer who stocks them i go to both as they stock different makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have only been on this forum a short time but must comment that a lot of threads seem quite hostile you should take a look on the gp thread they are starting to pull the basc chap david to pieces now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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