marktattoo Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) There's no secret to it If my business had to rely on paying poor wages just so it could survive personally I would close it Congratulations, for being a employer with dignity to treat your staff with respect, rather than the normal unethical parasitise who screw the average employee at every given opportunity, pay minimum wage and let the benefit system support them. people exist on minimum wage not live with dignity paying there own way rather being reliant on the benefit system to top up wages Edited January 9, 2014 by marktattoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 This is going round in circles but I am still looking at opportunities to become an unethical parasite and if I can become one, will enjoy my ill gotten gains as I will be th eone who will have taken all the risks as we have discussed earlier. Perhaps you would prefer a socialist utopia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 You are obviously off on one again today. Where did I suggest that all on benefits are lazy? As for a pensioner who gets a £50k a year pension it is probably because he/she has worked hard all their life and saved towards said pension, they don't get any more of a state pension than the person who has never done a days work in their life but have contributed all along to the pension pot. I don't see why they shouldn't get at least the same benefits, unless you think the thrifty, hard working people out there should be hammered right to the grave? Sadly Rooster, they are. Work hard, look after yourself and save and you have to pay for everything, even in retirement. Be a feckless A**e and you will be looked after. Not branding everyone with the same brush. Sadly, legislation does and no one can seem to come up with a system with any flexibility in it. The feckless no make up a significant part of the voting public so any party that makes changes will be out like a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Congratulations, for being a employer with dignity to treat your staff with respect, rather than the normal unethical parasitise who screw the average employee at every given opportunity, pay minimum wage and let the benefit system support them. people exist on minimum wage not live with dignity paying there own way rather being reliant on the benefit system to top up wages if you work you should need no benefits. your right about tax credits . the employers subsidy Edited January 10, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 This is going round in circles but I am still looking at opportunities to become an unethical parasite and if I can become one, will enjoy my ill gotten gains as I will be th eone who will have taken all the risks as we have discussed earlier. Perhaps you would prefer a socialist utopia. Every business owner takes the risks and derserves the rewards but not off the back of cheap labour not every business automatically pays the minimum wage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcarrich Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 if the minimum wage increased to £10 who would want to work in a job with a high degree of responsibility or accountability for £11. how many nurses/ paramedics would spend 3 years at uni then take the level of abuse they do when they could just work 4 hours a week extra stacking shelves and be no worse off with no stress or responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) if the minimum wage increased to £10 who would want to work in a job with a high degree of responsibility or accountability for £11. how many nurses/ paramedics would spend 3 years at uni then take the level of abuse they do when they could just work 4 hours a week extra stacking shelves and be no worse off with no stress or responsibility.It doesn't have to be £10 just a liveable wage a top line of £250 a week **** these days Its not just someone who stacks shelves plenty work hard for 40 hours a week Take say a coach driver plenty responsibility but many are on minimum wage Edited January 10, 2014 by castletyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcarrich Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I agree a minimum wage should be liveable, before I retrained I earned around £8 hourly an cannot imagine living on much less especially as a single person. However there must be some incentive / reward to spend years out of the job market while gaining debt while training. A sudden increase of even £1 per hour is pretty unrealistic and potentially harmful to the economy as this would imediately increase the cost of many services an goods , causing low public confidence. Especially at the moment when many people have had below inflation pay rises for 5 years and are struggling. i feel if the mimimum wage rose to rapidly the only effective change would be a significant rise in the cost of living for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Every business owner takes the risks and derserves the rewards but not off the back of cheap labour not every business automatically pays the minimum wage And there it all pivots on. What defines cheap?. I agree a Coach driver has responsibility for his passengers but ultimately he is a driver and spends 99.9 % of his time driving. A doctor can save a life, a bus driver can't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 And there it all pivots on. What defines cheap?. I agree a Coach driver has responsibility for his passengers but ultimately he is a driver and spends 99.9 % of his time driving. A doctor can save a life, a bus driver can't.... I would say cheap is expecting someone to work 40 hours for £250 before any off takes A wage £300 to £320 should be the minimum for a weeks work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 For doing what and at what age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 For doing what and at what age? i would say over 21 and job doesn't matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 So you would pay sombody 320 a week to mop your floors? And if that's so would everybody get the equilvilent rise to there wage ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 So you would pay sombody 320 a week to mop your floors? And if that's so would everybody get the equilvilent rise to there wage ? A wage rise should be something between a company and its staff And yes I think even a cleaner working a 40 hour week should get it Just because someone is a cleaner or shelf stacker doesn't mean they should be paid peanuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 No it doesn't my friend is a night cleaner manager for tescos and pays staff well but at the say time it's not a role that justifies paying 10 ph and I no it's hard working on minimum wage as I was on 4:98 ph then on 6:11 when I turned 21 and I've still payed my way through college and my rent ect to get were I am today, I'm still in college so I can move on to a better payed job. Yes it's hard not buying everything you want all the time but I have nice things now you HAVE TO MAKE YOURSELF worth paying the wage you want, I'm not putting anybody's job down as I've done rubbish jobs to get what I want. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 No it doesn't my friend is a night cleaner manager for tescos and pays staff well but at the say time it's not a role that justifies paying 10 ph and I no it's hard working on minimum wage as I was on 4:98 ph then on 6:11 when I turned 21 and I've still payed my way through college and my rent ect to get were I am today, I'm still in college so I can move on to a better payed job. Yes it's hard not buying everything you want all the time but I have nice things now you HAVE TO MAKE YOURSELF worth paying the wage you want, I'm not putting anybody's job down as I've done rubbish jobs to get what I want. John Why not? They are working nights so deserve a shift allowance When you get your "better paid job" will you expect to earn the same for working nights as you would days? Would you be happy working for the same money as the bloke next door doing the same job, EXCEPT, he works 8am-5pm, you have to work 10pm - 6am, its not the same Only the people that have never worked nights come up with these things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Ha well your point just went out the window there i think didnt it I work nights 6 till 6 i get my hourly rate + shift allowance so i think you need to find a point where you have a leg to stand on. John. And there nothing wrong with wanting to increase your own wage but you need to make it worth your employers paying you extra. Edited January 10, 2014 by JohnFreeman1310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 i would say over 21 and job doesn't matter Would have to disagree there. The job matters a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 So you would pay sombody 320 a week to mop your floors? And if that's so would everybody get the equilvilent rise to there wage ? why not they would get it on the dole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Ha well your point just went out the window there i think didnt it I work nights 6 till 6 i get my hourly rate + shift allowance so i think you need to find a point where you have a leg to stand on. John. And there nothing wrong with wanting to increase your own wage but you need to make it worth your employers paying you extra. How did my point go out of the window? Because you worked nights? I don't think it's unreasonable for someone working nights to get £10 an hour no matter what the job, Just because they are cleaners doesn't mean they are less valuable as an employee ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) proposed minimum wage rise i think about time they say it will be a substantial rise id like to see £10 ph your thoughts gentlemen. is this another we will do it after we get re elected promise? at the end of the day if it was £10 p/h there would be more tenners leaving the country every hour than ever before, never to return as most casual cheap labour pay is to foreign workers and goes straight back overseas or to there fat cat landlords and the economy does not see these fruits again, Hence a shrinking uk economy there's more gbp going out than coming in, No win situation unless we only employ citizens that will put the money back over the counter, (My thoughts anyway feel free to moan) ....not rocket science this is y the country's on it's ***.... Edited January 11, 2014 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 How did my point go out of the window? Because you worked nights? I don't think it's unreasonable for someone working nights to get £10 an hour no matter what the job, Just because they are cleaners doesn't mean they are less valuable as an employee ?? id want £10 to stay awake all night working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Be nice £10 an hour but it's not gonna happen at the mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Be nice £10 an hour but it's not gonna happen at the mo. your not wrong and then they wonder why millions choose benefits Edited January 11, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) How did my point go out of the window? Because you worked nights? I don't think it's unreasonable for someone working nights to get £10 an hour no matter what the job, Just because they are cleaners doesn't mean they are less valuable as an employee ?? Because working nights has nothing to do with the minimum wage, the night shift part is covered by the shift allowance so it would be a minimum of basic wage + shift allowance. I worked shifts for around 4 years and not once did the hourly rate change depending on the shift, it was increase by the allowance for unsociable hours. your not wrong and then they wonder why millions choose benefits And without going around in circles is why I suggested that the maximum benefits to be capped at an amount under the minimum wage, then it's no longer a career option (well it is but not as lucrative as working) Edited January 11, 2014 by Deker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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