Catweazle Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Are we perhaps forgetting that the party who have seized power only got 10% of the election vote ? I can't blame the Ruskies for thinking that this is a USA sponsored coup, it wouldn't be the first time ( not by a long way ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 They are indeed brave men, who have shown immense courage and discipline under extreme pressure and provocation. What happens next though? I remember seeing the news report of about 300 Ukrainian Air Force personnel walking onto their base, only to be stopped by armed Russian military, who fired over their heads. What stood out was the comment from one of the Ukrainian airmen, who said, "We have America behind us, we have the whole world behind us". Those men must now feel completely let down and abandoned by the US, NATO, the UN and of course the EU. What they do next is anybody's guess, but without the support they so obviously expected who could blame them if they were to throw in their lot with the Russians? And what of the thousands of protesters waving their national flags, alongside the flag of the EU in Kiev and other western Ukraine city's. What now for them? Have their dreams of closer links with Europe been sacrificed for German gas and French arms deals? It seems so. If I was one of those who had protested, and seeing the impotence of the EU in this crisis, I think I'd be throwing my hand in with Mad Vlad. Thoughtful stuff - I think this is a good summary of the present position. My guess - and it is no more than that - is that Crimea will become to all intents and purposes a part of the Russian federation whereas eastern Ukraine will remain a part of the Ukraine. It has been interesting to see in Donetsk and other cities that the Russian "majority" have not had it all their own way and that, generally, the security force are remaining loyal to the new government in Kiev. If that state of affairs continues, it gives at least some confidence that things may well calm down and for all the bluster that Putin has shown, I believe that he IS rattled by the depth of and unity of opposition from the west towards his hard line and bullying attitude. Let us wait and see..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I still find it hard to like these protesters after seeing this unarmed police remember. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uQsG_ReIwc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I still find it hard to like these protesters after seeing this unarmed police remember. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uQsG_ReIwc Sorry - you have me confused This thread is about the Ukraine [Europe]; your clip is about Thailand [Asia] They are NOT connected..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Sorry - you have me confused This thread is about the Ukraine [Europe]; your clip is about Thailand [Asia] They are NOT connected..... Remember, it's "Thai Ukraine". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 All getting a bit boring now. Somebody needs to kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 All getting a bit boring now. Somebody needs to kick off. Got problems with your bowels again - twice in one week - suggest you see your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Remember, it's "Thai Ukraine". I was watching about the Ukraine on the news when this first came on I think that I was eating my dinner at the time so perhaps changed and was talking about Thailand when I looked away or they got muddled up with there films as they do at times anyway I am sorry if I got it wrong the point that I was trying to make was those crowds was not nice young men just shouting they was pelting the police with petrol bombs and large stones. Edited March 8, 2014 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Not surprising really FWD - the world is in awful mess right now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I was watching about the Ukraine on the news when this first came on I think that I was eating my dinner at the time so perhaps changed and was talking about Thailand when I looked away or they got muddled up with there films as they do at times anyway I am sorry if I got it wrong the point that I was trying to make was those crowds was not nice young men just shouting they was pelting the police with petrol bombs and large stones. Was just a wee play on words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I was watching about the Ukraine on the news It's Ukraine. Not THE Ukraine. (Mind you the way things are going at the moment that could soon change again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletcher1004 Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Totally agree, I've worked alongside soldiers from most other NATO armies and the Ukrainians though not members of NATO appear to be every bit as professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Totally agree, I've worked alongside soldiers from most other NATO armies and the Ukrainians though not members of NATO appear to be every bit as professional. As one pro to another - you have got it spot on - unfortunately when I was soldier, they were a part of the opposition. would be dead glad if they were a part of NATO in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 It's Ukraine. Not THE Ukraine. (Mind you the way things are going at the moment that could soon change again). Not really that important but if you want to be pedantic http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18233844 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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