Amazed Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Actually i am very aware of wind not being a constant, but if you start off with guesses on your data your going no were. There is nothing complicated about starting out with real facts then using SWAG methods, its when you mix SWAG with SWAG you get pure dumb luck or bad shooting as errors compound. The OP was thinking he made a bad choice not going .20 ruger, it certainly makes no odds what he uses if he starts with incorrect data. I am sorry but i cannot assume all members are dumb as cheese, there are quite a few with so much more about them Yes I'm sure no one has ever taught them selfs from there mistakes. Or built up any kind of knowledge from what they have to hand. I'm afraid your single minded views on just about every subject on this forum just sends a few round the bend. So if I ever find my self in need of advice on how to shoot round corners I will be pm you immediately ! As for my data well it's fine As will the ops in time Yours ? well best ask Wikipedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Yes I'm sure no one has ever taught them selfs from there mistakes. Or built up any kind of knowledge from what they have to hand. I'm afraid your single minded views on just about every subject on this forum just sends a few round the bend. So if I ever find my self in need of advice on how to shoot round corners I will be pm you immediately ! As for my data well it's fine As will the ops in time Yours ? well best ask Wikipedia. What the heck is your point? There was nothing incorrect in my post, sure wind is variable am I wrong because I didn't add how to read wind and how to fraction adjustments for wind angle? How to read the best firing time etc? But at the same time you also are saying my post too in depth Ugh?. It seems to me your just looking for some fault in what I say and assuming everyone else of very low intellect, I promise you there are some intelligent people on PW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 while I sympathize for you the speed alone is not the problem sir. not sure about that to be honest in my experience the .222 1:14 twist barrels most certainly do have a sweet spot for velocity none of my loads are anywhere near hot or max 20.8gr N133 under 60gr Soft Points 21.6gr under 52gr AMax try to push them faster and the groups can be controlled but it takes seriously faffing with OAL and crimping heavier the bullet the more extreme the group size increase per charge especially with 55 - 60 gr sure the analysts will critique the method of reaching the conclusion but it gives you a first hand example. 0.2gr increases on a deep seat group size jumped from around an inch to 4-5" in two jumps with less than 0.4 total increase using 20.8gr as the sweet spot the OAL and crimp was adjusted and it produces 1/2" groups and will single hole if I do my bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Every rifle I have ever owned and others that were reluctant to shoot well except for a very narrow band of whatever loadings has been improved upon by bedding the action better. Bedding or adding greater barrel clearance. Making sure the bolt handle is clear of the stock. Bolt lugs even and in leveractions the link is relieved at lock up! Of course this is just my experience, a humble black smithy type of approach to owning a rifle. One thing is significant though....no way would I ever accept a rifle that was that particular! Never have never will and I have always suceeded in finding a cure so much so that my data hand books always had several loads written them for every rifle that passed through my hands. Sure....dont agree. That is fine bro. U. Edited July 27, 2014 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Bewsher 500, I have said it before but I personally have little faith in choosing the most accurate round in a gun like the triple two at ranges around 100 yards (you might find rubbish from ok but you shouldn't even see much from deviation or even full stabilisation), I have even less faith when the wind is as your targets suggest (10-15mph at 9 0'clock during test?) and your not going to prove much at all about the load IMO wait for the right day then get out some proper distances with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Bewsher 500, I have said it before but I personally have little faith in choosing the most accurate round in a gun like the triple two at ranges around 100 yards (you might find rubbish from ok but you shouldn't even see much from deviation or even full stabilisation), I have even less faith when the wind is as your targets suggest (10-15mph at 9 0'clock during test?) and your not going to prove much at all about the load IMO wait for the right day then get out some proper distances with it now that comment does have merit! This I have experienced also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hi Don't want to be a killjoy but I bet to OP is getting a bit fed up with this He just asked for a few loads Let him try and when he's found a problem I'm sure he will come back Op my appologise All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Bewsher 500, I have said it before but I personally have little faith in choosing the most accurate round in a gun like the triple two at ranges around 100 yards (you might find rubbish from ok but you shouldn't even see much from deviation or even full stabilisation), I have even less faith when the wind is as your targets suggest (10-15mph at 9 0'clock during test?) and your not going to prove much at all about the load IMO wait for the right day then get out some proper distances with it "sure the analysts will critique the method of reaching the conclusion" doesn't matter the load shoots 1/2" at 100 and has been tested out to 300, further than any shot I will take on game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hi Don't want to be a killjoy but I bet to OP is getting a bit fed up with this He just asked for a few loads Let him try and when he's found a problem I'm sure he will come back Op my appologise All the best Of I agree. I do think the 222 was a brilliant choice given the location and use, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 "sure the analysts will critique the method of reaching the conclusion" doesn't matter the load shoots 1/2" at 100 and has been tested out to 300, further than any shot I will take on game Hey if you feel it works for you fine carry on. I must admit the way I personally sort a good load has changed very much over the years and these days the hardest thing seems to be finding a real bad one to totally dismiss, so I find myself having to stretch things just to get the pick of the bunch but shooting in any real 9 o'clock wind for a load test for accuracy play off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 woodlander i tried to pm you but for some reason i can't if you are near Bedford would you like to come over and try my .222 see how you like it and i will show you my reloading routine colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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