brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Lol. All in a controlled enviroment my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) you was saying that you was opening the bolt when it went off?? but if the bolt was closed and locked there is now way that the case will blow out like that as the case will be firmly swelled and sealing in the breech..... unless the bolt was not fully closed. in my berretta s/a if the bolt is not fully closed and locked out it will not fire Or, you have been using fruitloop's homeloads lol what you saying about my home loads there is nothing wrong with the odd nut and bolt in with the lead>>>>>>>> Edited September 8, 2014 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Think your cycling issues might be due to the light 21gram loads you were using. Superfasts are 27gram and quite lively so cycle semi autos no problem. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) so waited for a bit then rolled the gun over to pull back the bolt and clear it, before i had chance to touch the bolt it went off As i mentioned in an earlier post, i hadnt touched the bolt, i was about to but never got as far as doing it. As i said before, my intention when posting this wasnt to lay blame on what happened but to remind everyone that freak occurances are a reality and to remember to wear eye protection. As far as im concerned, im fine and the gun is also fine so im going to chalk it down to experience and thank my lucky stars that someone was looking out for me yesterday. And thanks to all of you guys for your concern as well, i truly appreciate it. Edited September 8, 2014 by brett1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Think your cycling issues might be due to the light 21gram loads you were using. Superfasts are 27gram and quite lively so cycle semi autos no problem. Figgy Yeah, your bang on there matey. I only wanted to run a couple through to see if they would cycle. It will run 24's with no issues at all, so i was just curious to see if it would run any lower. Think i'll stick to the superfast now though... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) then if that's the case then id look at the lock out as until the the gasses get to the port further up the barrel the bolt should not open unless the gamebore carts are a little tight in the breech and not allowing the bolt to fully close and giving you the light strike Edited September 8, 2014 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 but if the bolt was closed and locked there is now way that the case will blow out like that as the case will be firmly swelled and sealing in the breech..... unless the bolt was not fully closed. in my berretta s/a if the bolt is not fully closed and locked out it will not fire Yeah I'm sure on the beretta the firing pin can only go forward when the bolt lock has lifted, but defiantly the case head cannot blow apart like that if the bolt was closed and locked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Also the wad stuck in the barrel kind of tells the same story, pressure in the barrel dropped before the wad built up much speed As does the cartridges premature release from the mag and subsequent jam on the lifter, probably because the bolt moved early slowly and without full movement Edited September 8, 2014 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 :good: Yeah I'm sure on the beretta the firing pin can only go forward when the bolt lock has lifted, but defiantly the case head cannot blow apart like that if the bolt was closed and locked up Also the wad stuck in the barrel kind of tells the same story, pressure in the barrel dropped before the wad built up much speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Brett have a look at the bolt and see if the firing pin can be moved fully forward with the bolt unlocked, if your not sure just ask and I'll post up some pics of what to look for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 also have you got a vernier if so just measure the diameter of the good carts and the bad carts and see if there is a difference in the diameter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I can see in the picture that there is an amount of brass in the area but where is the main bulk of the head? Have you removed it from the breach or was it ejected, leaving the case in the camber? What gun is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) I'm thinking some of that brass is powder? Beretta 1301 comp at a guess? Edited September 8, 2014 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian g Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 i had somthing similar happen to me last year on the marsh although not as bad i rung gamebore up an told them sent pictures and carts back and they gave me 100 cartidriges to replace the 30 i had left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeneebs Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 hi guys hope i am not out of place but had a similar experiance on sunday shooting pigeons on my new shoot case and brass parted in my beretta al391 auto the case jammed at the barrel taper only ejected the brass lucky me eh case also a game bore 28 gram 7.5 shot have taken photo try to load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hi guys, just a quick update... I emailed gamebore and didnt get any kind of reply, so went on to their facebook page and left them a polite message with some pictures. Scrolled down a wee way and someone else had posted with almost exactly the same issue. Funnily enough, gamebore have now removed the bit on their page where general public can post onto their wall... And now, looks lije someone else has had a similar issue also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Post a pic up of the cartridge out of the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) hi guys hope i am not out of place but had a similar experiance on sunday shooting pigeons on my new shoot case and brass parted in my beretta al391 auto the case jammed at the barrel taper only ejected the brass lucky me eh case also a game bore 28 gram 7.5 shot have taken photo try to load Image1240.jpg that is what id expect to see if the gun had locked up where the powder had not ruptured the side of the case but the brass had pulled off the base wad after firing as I had said I think you need to have a look at the gun and if the carts area tight fit in the breech before blaming the carts. the pic hear shows a genuine fault with the cart as the brass had pulled clean off the plastic and not a rupture due to the gun opening mid ignition . Edited September 11, 2014 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeneebs Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 that is what id expect to see if the gun had locked up where the powder had not ruptured the side of the case but the brass had pulled off the base wad after firing as I had said I think you need to have a look at the gun and if the carts area tight fit in the breech before blaming the carts. the pic hear shows a genuine fault with the cart as the brass had pulled clean off the plastic and not a rupture due to the gun opening mid ignition . [been /quote] phoned gun shop got carts from i am to return all unused cart for full refund and supply faulty cart for return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeneebs Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 hi guy phoned gun shop that suppled carts i am to return all unused carts for a full refund also supply faulty cart for examination just glad case did not get past taper in barrel or may have been a much differant story to tell yours phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Listen to fruitloop guys he's talking sense, Brett yours is most likely a gun related issue, posting pics to Gamebore's Facebook isn't really going to get you anywhere, it's quite obvious that ignition was happening/happened outside of the chamber and that the bolt was not closed / locked. Weeneebs yours is a cartridge failure, it's very unlikely the cartridge fail would have resulted in the case being pushed down the barrel too, pressure from the gasses expanding within the cartridge would seal and effectively grip the chamber walls, When you think about how many cartridges are used each year it really is a miricle we don't hear of more defective cartridges / cases. Edited September 11, 2014 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 right, just to clear this up.... the bolt was locked. you can try and dispell it as much as you like, but, both myself and several others who were stood there when it happened, plus myself and 2 different people have looked at the gun afterwards all agree that it wouldnt fire unless it was locked, . the gun has now had just under a slab of cartridges through it without 1 failure. if it was an issue with the gun, it would have shown itself by now. i wouldnt have posted anything on to gamebores facebook page, had they responded or even acknowledged that i had contacted them. the fact that they have now removed all posts from 2 people relating to very similar incidents speaks volumes imho, and its just bad customer relations. couple that with yet another poster on here having yet another cartridge with another similar issue then it just confirms that there is a problem somewhere. all to easy to blame the gun, or the end user, but god forbid that there should ACTUALLY be a failed cartridge. i started this thread with the intention of reminding people that eye protection is a must when shooting, not to be second guessed by people who assume they know exactly what happened without being there or even seeing the gun. it is, quite frankly, mildly insulting. i appreciate all of the attempted help that some of you have given, and thank you for taking the time to read this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 So are you going to post a picture of that cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 currently trying to downsize it so i can upload it on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 here goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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