Potential hazard from bad science

[David BASC]

Yes lead can be found in wines but far less so in cider as far as I am aware these days.

 

The source of lead contamination in wines is in debate, and depends much on the vintage as well as the types of metal pipes used in the winery.

 

Regardless of that the amount of lead in say a glass or two of wine will be tiny compared to the amount of lead contained in a single no6 shot. So the most significant potential source of lead in shot game would be from lead shot.

 

However, the key issue surely in the LGC report et al is that it made no difference to the lead content in the meals prepared whether wine or cider was used or not, clearly showing that the lead in the wine or cider was not significant but very importantly that the levels of lead in either case were unlikely to cause an increase in blood lead. That's the important point .

 

If reports clearly conclude, backed up the other evidence from the EFSA as well as the conclusions in the Quy report, show that there is low risk to human health from lead shot game, how can this be used against lead?

 

We remove lead from the game we shoot before we cook it , and further remove any other bits that are left when we eat it, and given that only around 11% of ingested lead is absorbed its not surprising that the reports show there is little risk from lead shot game to human health.

 

My point remains that stating research that shows there is very low risk from lead shot game as flawed or a bad report is not helpful , do you agree?

Edited December 29, 2014 by David BASC

[FatFreddysCat]

I must have ingested loads of lead pellets over the years. I have occasionally observed it in the toilet U bend but only lead No.4 and larger. Never found lead No.5 or smaller or any steel shot down there so I assume that the smaller lead shot and steel is light enough to make it round the bend. Anyone else conducted any research in this area?

[Vince Green]

I can produce any written evidence about this but I would have thought that the bigger danger in eating some forms of game, in particular pigeons and maybe rabbits would be background levels of pesticides they have absorbed feeding on crops.

[scotslad]

I think the real danger with scientific reports like this is it is very easy to cherry pick quotes and headlines which are are very catchy/punchy etc but possibly don't reflect the true findings or even general trends.

But that can be used by both sides, While u go on about lead content in wine/cider (and u are correct, i'd say the intrduced error will be minimal) as long as the exact same quantity of wine is put into both dishes u are effectively balancing the introduced error on both sides , I'd be more concerend about using a completely different meat as a control. Ideally it should be unshot of the same species from the same area. Some meats may naturally comtain more lead than others

 

So unless u go and actually read the whole report u will never learn the truth.

 

This is why BASC and the rest (SGA, NGO, CA) jump on every lazy tabloid article or misleading press release from the alleged 'conservationists' just as all shooters should be complaining to papers/tv when they see a misleading article

[Vince Green]

 

This is why BASC and the rest (SGA, NGO, CA) jump on every lazy tabloid article or misleading press release from the alleged 'conservationists' just as all shooters should be complaining to papers/tv when they see a misleading article

Thats actually a very good point, the antis are usually from the far left who are well practiced in the art of using the media to spread misinformation by spoon feeding the press with headline grabbing copy

Those of us that remember the effectiveness of the Snowdrop Campaign in getting handguns banned after the Dunblane shooting will be in no doubt. But who were they? they appeared on the scene from nowhere, they were trained in interview techniques and how to sit and speak in TV interviews. From what I was told at the time (I was the secretary of a big pistol club so I was being fed a certain amount of information by the coppers who made up a sizeable percentage of the membership) they didn't exist on paper anywhere. And these were London coppers, many at Scotland Yard who were in the know. Despite what you may suspect, the police were totally opposed to the handgun ban.

 

Afterwards the Snowdrop Campaign completely disappeared off the face of the earth. They must have collected millions in donations because lots of people sent them money believing they were sending money to the families but they never submitted any accounts Scary or what?

Edited December 29, 2014 by Vince Green