jimmydean Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does anyone know where I can get some of these or a v good equivalent- just used my last 1000 ? Henry Crank have some but they say (wrongly) you require and FAC for purchase of primers so its got to be FtF. I'd rather send for some over tintternet. If however there's an 'explosive' issue with posting, where in the NW could I collect some - any good gun shops? Many Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRO Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 You could try 1967spud reloading supplies they have advertised some for sale. Darran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi Larro, thanks - I've sent him a note but I suspect the cost of shipping will be prohibitive - we shall see. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Kranks are correct, you must have an FAC to purchase firearm primers (shotgun primers are exempt from the relevant act) VCRA 2006 Ammunition35Restriction on sale and purchase of primers(1)This section applies to a cap-type primer designed for use in metallic ammunition for a firearm.(2)It is an offence for a person to sell to another either—(a)a primer to which this section applies,(b)an empty cartridge case incorporating such a primer,unless that other person falls within subsection (3).(3)A person falls within this subsection if—(a)he is a registered firearms dealer;(b)he sells by way of any trade or business either primers or empty cartridge cases incorporating primers, or both;©he produces a certificate authorising him to possess a firearm of a relevant kind;(d)he produces a certificate authorising him to possess ammunition of a relevant kind;(e)he shows that he is a person in the service of Her Majesty who is entitled under subsection (6) to acquire a primer to which this section applies;(f)he shows that he is entitled, by virtue of the 1968 Act, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 (c. 45) or any other enactment and otherwise than by virtue of being a person in the service of Her Majesty, to have possession, without a certificate, of a firearm of a relevant kind or of ammunition of a relevant kind;(g)he produces a certificate authorising another person to have possession of such a firearm, or of such ammunition, together with that other person's authority to purchase the primer or empty cartridge case on his behalf; or(h)he shows that he is authorised by regulations made by the Secretary of State to purchase primers or cartridge cases of the type in question.(4)It is an offence for a person to buy or to attempt to buy—(a)a primer to which this section applies, or(b)an empty cartridge case incorporating such a primer,unless he falls within subsection (5).(5)A person falls within this subsection if—(a)he is a registered firearms dealer;(b)he sells by way of any trade or business either primers or empty cartridge cases incorporating primers, or both;©he holds a certificate authorising him to possess a firearm of a relevant kind;(d)he holds a certificate authorising him to possess ammunition of a relevant kind;(e)he is a person in the service of Her Majesty who is entitled under subsection (6) to acquire a primer to which this section applies;(f)he is entitled, by virtue of the 1968 Act, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 or any other enactment and otherwise than by virtue of being a person in the service of Her Majesty, to have possession, without a certificate, of a firearm of a relevant kind or of ammunition of a relevant kind;(g)he is in possession of a certificate authorising another person to have possession of such a firearm, or of such ammunition, and has that other person's authority to purchase the primer or empty cartridge case on his behalf; or(h)he is authorised by regulations made by the Secretary of State to purchase primers or cartridge cases of the type in question.(6)A person who is in the service of Her Majesty is entitled to acquire a primer to which this section applies if—(a)he is duly authorised in writing to acquire firearms and ammunition for the public service; or(b)he is a person who is authorised to purchase a firearm or ammunition by virtue of a certificate issued in accordance with section 54(2)(b) of the 1968 Act (certificates for persons in naval, military or air service of Her Majesty).(7)An offence under this section shall be punishable, on summary conviction—(a)in England and Wales, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both; and(b)in Scotland, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both.(8)In relation to an offence committed before the commencement of section 281(5) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the reference in subsection (7)(a) of this section to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months.(9)The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations for the purposes of subsection (3)(h) or (5)(h) shall be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament.(10)That power includes power—(a)to make different provision for different cases;(b)to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the Secretary of State thinks fit; and©to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional provision as he thinks fit.(11)In this section— “ammunition of a relevant kind” means ammunition for a firearm of a relevant kind; “enactment” includes an enactment passed after the passing of this Act; “firearm of a relevant kind” means a firearm other than a shot gun, an air weapon or a firearm chambered for rim-fire ammunition. 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jimmydean Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Kranks are correct, you must have an FAC to purchase firearm primers (shotgun primers are exempt from the relevant act) VCRA 2006 Ammunition 35Restriction on sale and purchase of primers (1)This section applies to a cap-type primer designed for use in metallic ammunition for a firearm. (2)It is an offence for a person to sell to another either— (a)a primer to which this section applies, (b)an empty cartridge case incorporating such a primer, unless that other person falls within subsection (3). (3)A person falls within this subsection if— (a)he is a registered firearms dealer; (b)he sells by way of any trade or business either primers or empty cartridge cases incorporating primers, or both; ©he produces a certificate authorising him to possess a firearm of a relevant kind; (d)he produces a certificate authorising him to possess ammunition of a relevant kind; (e)he shows that he is a person in the service of Her Majesty who is entitled under subsection (6) to acquire a primer to which this section applies; (f)he shows that he is entitled, by virtue of the 1968 Act, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 (c. 45) or any other enactment and otherwise than by virtue of being a person in the service of Her Majesty, to have possession, without a certificate, of a firearm of a relevant kind or of ammunition of a relevant kind; (g)he produces a certificate authorising another person to have possession of such a firearm, or of such ammunition, together with that other person's authority to purchase the primer or empty cartridge case on his behalf; or (h)he shows that he is authorised by regulations made by the Secretary of State to purchase primers or cartridge cases of the type in question. (4)It is an offence for a person to buy or to attempt to buy— (a)a primer to which this section applies, or (b)an empty cartridge case incorporating such a primer, unless he falls within subsection (5). (5)A person falls within this subsection if— (a)he is a registered firearms dealer; (b)he sells by way of any trade or business either primers or empty cartridge cases incorporating primers, or both; ©he holds a certificate authorising him to possess a firearm of a relevant kind; (d)he holds a certificate authorising him to possess ammunition of a relevant kind; (e)he is a person in the service of Her Majesty who is entitled under subsection (6) to acquire a primer to which this section applies; (f)he is entitled, by virtue of the 1968 Act, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 or any other enactment and otherwise than by virtue of being a person in the service of Her Majesty, to have possession, without a certificate, of a firearm of a relevant kind or of ammunition of a relevant kind; (g)he is in possession of a certificate authorising another person to have possession of such a firearm, or of such ammunition, and has that other person's authority to purchase the primer or empty cartridge case on his behalf; or (h)he is authorised by regulations made by the Secretary of State to purchase primers or cartridge cases of the type in question. (6)A person who is in the service of Her Majesty is entitled to acquire a primer to which this section applies if— (a)he is duly authorised in writing to acquire firearms and ammunition for the public service; or (b)he is a person who is authorised to purchase a firearm or ammunition by virtue of a certificate issued in accordance with section 54(2)(b) of the 1968 Act (certificates for persons in naval, military or air service of Her Majesty). (7)An offence under this section shall be punishable, on summary conviction— (a)in England and Wales, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both; and (b)in Scotland, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both. (8)In relation to an offence committed before the commencement of section 281(5) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the reference in subsection (7)(a) of this section to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months. (9)The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations for the purposes of subsection (3)(h) or (5)(h) shall be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament. (10)That power includes power— (a)to make different provision for different cases; (b)to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the Secretary of State thinks fit; and ©to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional provision as he thinks fit. (11)In this section— “ammunition of a relevant kind” means ammunition for a firearm of a relevant kind; “enactment” includes an enactment passed after the passing of this Act; “firearm of a relevant kind” means a firearm other than a shot gun, an air weapon or a firearm chambered for rim-fire ammunition. Well now I didnt know that ! I thought the only proscribed element of a reloaded round was the bullet. That makes it even more difficult to get some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Only expanding bullets are subject to needing the relevant "authority to acquire" on an FAC being needed to purchase them, target bullets can be bought by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Well now I didnt know that ! I thought the only proscribed element of a reloaded round was the bullet. That makes it even more difficult to get some. If you don't have a FAC, then you surely don't have any need of the primers ? Or else I'm missing something. If so, my apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I think his point is more to do with the fact he rang them and wanted them posting to him and kranks correctly told him it has to be face yo face for two reasons, you can't post them and they need to see FAC. That is correct. I do have an FAC - I reload for my .223 and shortly my new .17 hornet. Since most of what I do is foxing, I have developed a load I dont want to change (including primers) for the .223. I only therefore shoot expanding ammo. 40-50grain v -max are my bullet of choice and I use N133 and Accur 2460. I simply was not aware that primers were also proscribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 As said, my apologies. You could try McAvoys, up in Standish (close to Wigan). They stock Federal primers (or used to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Are you I north Wales if so Alctraze gun shop pwhell will help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Thanks chaps - Mcavoy dont have them in stock so may have to wait but will try Snow Whites option and see if they have some available. McAvoys are closest to me but at £30 to send by courier (after getting over the FAC issue) , I'd rather wait and have e-mailed them to ask when they will re-stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Possibly try Valley Arms in Ruthin ? 01824 704438 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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