Phil9 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hiya chaps a little help needed if Ud be so kind? Iv had my FAC just over a year now and on it I have my 17hmr and 22rf, I have been wondering weather to ask for my ticket to be opened for the hmr as I have had a few offers from friends ect to go shooting with them an take along my 17 but had to decline due to it not being open ticket, what do u guys think an outcome would be if I got in touch with my FEO?! As Iv only had it just over a year,, waste of time or not?? Thanks Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy bingo Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) try asking the same question to your feo he might surprise you Edited March 29, 2015 by foxy bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallant Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hiya chaps a little help needed if Ud be so kind? Iv had my FAC just over a year now and on it I have my 17hmr and 22rf, I have been wondering weather to ask for my ticket to be opened for the hmr as I have had a few offers from friends ect to go shooting with them an take along my 17 but had to decline due to it not being open ticket, what do u guys think an outcome would be if I got in touch with my FEO?! As Iv only had it just over a year,, waste of time or not?? Thanks Phil hi, you can but try mite be ok, but im sure you can shoot with your friend if he has fac on his permission, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 hi, you can but try mite be ok, but im sure you can shoot with your friend if he has fac on his permission, His friends FAC might be open and the land not cleared so don't follow this advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallant Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 ask youre feo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yes, ask the FEO, but just to clarify the point about borrowing a rifle, the key issues are: The borrower must be aged 17 years or older The occupier or his servant (the lender) must be aged 18 years of age or older whenever they are lending to the 17 year old age group. For borrowers aged 18 or older the lending certificate holder may be of any age The lender must be the “occupier” of private land or “a servant of the occupier”. The occupier and/or their servant must hold a firearm certificate in respect of the firearm being used The rifle must be borrowed and only used on land occupied by the person lending the rifle The rifle must always remain in the presence of the lender (The term “in the presence of” is not defined in law but is generally interpreted as being within sight and earshot.) The borrower must comply with the conditions on the lenders’ FAC e.g. the quarry species. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yes, ask the FEO, but just to clarify the point about borrowing a rifle, the key issues are: The borrower must be aged 17 years or older The occupier or his servant (the lender) must be aged 18 years of age or older whenever they are lending to the 17 year old age group. For borrowers aged 18 or older the lending certificate holder may be of any age The lender must be the occupier of private land or a servant of the occupier. The occupier and/or their servant must hold a firearm certificate in respect of the firearm being used The rifle must be borrowed and only used on land occupied by the person lending the rifle The rifle must always remain in the presence of the lender (The term in the presence of is not defined in law but is generally interpreted as being within sight and earshot.) The borrower must comply with the conditions on the lenders FAC e.g. the quarry species. David Think the op wants to use his own rifle not borrow his mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Indeed, if the land is not cleared for the caliber the OP has on his licence he cannot use his rifle on that land, so the onus is on the OP to check if the land has been cleared for 17hmr, but he could borrow his friends rifle to shot in his friends land if the above points are folowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ask the FEO mate and see what the response is. It will make your life a lot simpler to have an open licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil9 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ask the FEO mate and see what the response is. It will make your life a lot simpler to have an open licence. cheers Mike 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Your most welcome mate. As usual different forces and different FEOs seem to approach things slightly differently. In essence they are being "pushed" towards not putting unnecessary restrictions in place. How does having an open licence make you a safer or more responsible shot? It doesnt. You never know, at some point the police forces may develop a "joined up and even approach". Not holding my breath though. Let us know how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I would just ask your FEO what the chances are, or, ask your mate if you could ask for his land to be cleared for you on a visiting basis. This will either confirm its cleared for an FAC, and the calibre or start the process with the owners agreement. If you have used enough ammo in the year - you may well be lucky and get a yes to the open cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil9 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Your most welcome mate. As usual different forces and different FEOs seem to approach things slightly differently. In essence they are being "pushed" towards not putting unnecessary restrictions in place. How does having an open licence make you a safer or more responsible shot? It doesnt. You never know, at some point the police forces may develop a "joined up and even approach". Not holding my breath though. Let us know how you get on. yeah I defo will do mate thanks again for the help👌👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspark Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I find this topic fascinating. These restrictions are a big hindrance. I think that if you are granted a fac then you must of jumped through all the hoops to satisfy requirements of your feo, this said, you are now expected to put into practice a safe shooting policy with all that intails, surely, you would adopt the same safety aspects for each and every shot you take wherever you may be shooting. New rules states "in my area at least" the feo need only pass one piece of land/field to grant your licence thus leaving other fields etc of the said land to your discretion affectively leaving the decision in your hands. The same as it would be if you where shooting somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangey Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hiya chaps a little help needed if Ud be so kind? Iv had my FAC just over a year now and on it I have my 17hmr and 22rf, I have been wondering weather to ask for my ticket to be opened for the hmr as I have had a few offers from friends ect to go shooting with them an take along my 17 but had to decline due to it not being open ticket, what do u guys think an outcome would be if I got in touch with my FEO?! As Iv only had it just over a year,, waste of time or not?? Thanks Phil go for it,i had mine opened up after 9 months.i do a lot of shooting so used a lot of ammo up and just sent my licence in asking if it would be possible to have it opened up and quantity of ammo increased.came back 4 days later opened up...I think if you can show you are using your guns enough to gain experience you will be ok.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Edwards Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'm in a similar position, and it will be interesting for me to see what you outcome will be. I didn't even know about an open ticket until I started browsing the forums. I keep getting permission for bits of land, and my firearms department is mega slow in dealing with things, and you can expect a few months. It doesn't really bother me, as I can just use the shotgun. We live in the country, in a very rural area, surrounded by our own land and the land that I shoot. Two of the farmers I shoot for also keep buying land all over the county, and they want me to shoot it too, so an open ticket would be ideal. I've had an FAC for 8 months, but I've been working abroad since autumn, so my ammo count may be too low to please the FEO at the moment. I'll be back for summer and hammer a few rounds The system is a hindrance, but no doubt it is to ensure that new users get a bit of experience before they are trusted to make their own decisions, but like someone has said before, if you can be trusted with a firearm, you should be trusted to act safely at all times. Then again, someone I saw on another page thought that an open ticket means that you don't have to ask landowner's permission anymore. You can just shoot where you want. What a nutter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I find this topic fascinating. These restrictions are a big hindrance. I think that if you are granted a fac then you must of jumped through all the hoops to satisfy requirements of your feo, this said, you are now expected to put into practice a safe shooting policy with all that intails, surely, you would adopt the same safety aspects for each and every shot you take wherever you may be shooting. New rules states "in my area at least" the feo need only pass one piece of land/field to grant your licence thus leaving other fields etc of the said land to your discretion affectively leaving the decision in your hands. The same as it would be if you where shooting somewhere else. If I am reading this correctly, I fear you have got the wrong end of the stick. It has always been so that only one piece of land needs to be put forward to substanciate ones good reason to acquire. If the land you put forward has not been cleared the FEO will need to clear it. However, presuming you have a "closed" certificate, it does not mean you can shoot on uncleared land. Your certificate is either "open" or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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