Vince Green Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Just about sums it up. I've got large amounts (able to buy) or 223 and 308 on my FAC, but I'll probably only buy those amounts once or twice, to get the cases. Yes but if you can get on with PPU you start to wonder whether its worth reloading with all the hassle thats involved in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes but if you can get on with PPU you start to wonder whether its worth reloading with all the hassle thats involved in that. I thought that, when I found Samson ammo, but nobody appears to import it any more. If I am in the V-bull with Samson at 300 yards, a PPU round will be a foot right and a foot low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I thought that, when I found Samson ammo, but nobody appears to import it any more. If I am in the V-bull with Samson at 300 yards, a PPU round will be a foot right and a foot low. If its consistantly a foot right and a foot low thats fine. I have just started using GGG this year and while its very accurate ammo it shoots to an entirely different point compared to the Privi. Thats why we have adjustable sights and notebooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I've only ever bought about 40 .308 PPU rounds. I fire a couple of them after 10 Samsom, and they all seem to act the same. As I've posted on another thread(another forum), I'm sure they would be on target if I took the trouble to alter the sights, but I've got quite a few hundred Samson..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) I am sorry but every rfd that gets factory ammo in has an account with Ruag, kranks, gmk, Hannams etc If they are not willing to stick an Oder of the back of any other minimum order they are placing then take your business elsewhere Supply is one thing but most won't even bloody ask!! One place I asked about norma 130 gr .270 said no problem. I ordered 300 with a group of us. ....they then told us after 2 months that they hadn't placed the order!! My advice, start reloading or find a friend willing to help I shoot 300 win mag and I wouldn't want to be limited to the factory stuff on offer. Not at £2 a pop Edited November 5, 2015 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 I am sorry but every rfd that gets factory ammo in has an account with Ruag, kranks, gmk, Hannams etc I don't think any Samson ammo has been imported since the handgun ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 I don't think any Samson ammo has been imported since the handgun ban. I think thats more or less true but there has been some seen on the ranges from time to time, I've seen empty boxes in the bins at Bisley. Sad geezer that I am I go through the bins haha :lol: but samson (I think) was imported by Conjay Arms and the bulk of it was pistol ammo right enough. I think I might know where its coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 I think thats more or less true but there has been some seen on the ranges from time to time, I've seen empty boxes in the bins at Bisley. Sad geezer that I am I go through the bins haha :lol: but samson (I think) was imported by Conjay Arms and the bulk of it was pistol ammo right enough. I think I might know where its coming from I'm not sure that IMI do any non-military stuff now. East Barnet gunshop stocked Samson, they still have one handgun calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Hmmmmmm 145's for use at Bisley- seen them on the RO price board but as mine is still with me here I haven't had chance to try. Use Sierra HPBT in 220's with 56.4 of Viht pushing them along and get some lovely groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Which vhit are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Which vhit are you using? Sorry for the delay in replying.. Clicked on the post and totally forgot about it. Anyway, that's using Viht N170 About to change over to some Hornadh A-Max's so a new recipe required. Think I might have to invest in the the 'Load data' programme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Use Sierra HPBT in 220's with 56.4 of Viht pushing them along and get some lovely groups 14,3 220 HPBT Sierra Charge MV N170 56.3 2256fps - 66.5 2515fps that's interesting, only reason i asked was I started load testing with N160 and N165 and got average results but I was intrigued by the charge levels of the N170 2250fps is the bottom of the MV range for those bullets I am running 208gr at around 2800 which is still quite slow compared to some loads I am with you on not chasing MV but have to be honest I was disappointed with the MV when I chrono'd it but I have used it out to 950 yds and it is awesome Edited November 17, 2015 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Bewsher I kind of started at the very bottom of the load table and came up a bit by bit- turns out I didn't have to come up far to find something that suited my rifle and the distances that I was shooting. So, rather than experiment and try something higher, I stuck at 56.4 Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I seemed to find great performance in mine with H1000 with Heavies and H4350 on the lightweights up to and including 180's. Vit 160 is about equivalent to H4350 but I never tried slower vit in mine as its not worth ignoring a functional recupe to find a 'cheaper, one so I didnt. I love h1000 and 208's Don't believe some of the U.S. sites quoting 3000fps for maxd loads I am shoving 78gr h1000 through for 2750-2800fps! Tried up to 80gr but accuracy was pants Have a mate using Ramshot magnum and getting the accuracy and the MV up to 3k with 208's Bewsher I kind of started at the very bottom of the load table and came up a bit by bit- turns out I didn't have to come up far to find something that suited my rifle and the distances that I was shooting. So, rather than experiment and try something higher, I stuck at 56.4 Jay Not a criticism so hope it wasn't taken that way You will find there will be two accuracy nodes, one at low charge which you have found Bet there is one further up the scale These are more pronounced the slower the powder because the charge range is wider You don't need massive mv to shoot long distances but be aware that your BC is linked to MV...slower you start the slower you finish! The faster you can push the 220 smk the better the long range performance as it holds its beneficial bc values But I am not suggesting burning powder for the sake of it will solve a problem...that doesn't exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Bewsher I never get offended so don't worry about that.... It's always good to hear of others experiences/ recipes. My problem is I'm lazy :-), found what I liked and stuck with it rather than produce several batches further up the scale. Plus ink of alllllll the powder I'm saving!!! Real problem is to be frank is that my time at home is precious ( work away during the week ) and have too many guns to play with/ reload for. Just been informed that I'm due to be re-based in the coming months back to a UK base so will have to thin down the toy collection- flip side, will use the ones I have more. Maybe get back into live quarry, dependant on my powers of persuasion..... All the best Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ha! I know the feeling I just did 100 rounds of 208gr and had an empty tub at the end of it!! Can't imagine paying shop prices for factory ammo for the same bullets! Am only recently getting into the longer distance and analytical side of it Would love to have a longer barrelled 300wm, mine has been chopped to around 21-22" and I suspect I suffer lower velocities as a result I did the same as you with my 130gr .270 loads and get 2800fps when factory is 3000-3100fps Deer still die and I have 5grains of powder per shot left over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Mines 26" running 1:10---- not that I'm boasting about size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) interesting I am not losing that much then 78gr approx 22" barrel and 2770fps have tried with and without mod and brake but with the Mod is just so much more accurate this 5 shots at 135yds with a mod: diappointed one dropped a bit! without it opens up to a clover shape some with gaps between holes don't honestly notice the difference in recoil unless I am shooting lots of shots! Edited November 18, 2015 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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