hatsanmad Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Hi guys got myself a few kilo of AS and some data. One piece of data i fancy is 21 grain of AS Cx2000 B&P z21 1 1/8oz(32gm) of lead shot Has anyone done and tryed this load before what was it like? I understand as is better suited up to 28 gram Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) I've done it just as that but with 30 grams of shot and proofed it at 678 bar. The proof limit for it was 740 bar. Velocity was 1257fps which in real life is a good average speed. Edited January 10, 2016 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Cheers sitsin thanks for that. I dont want to load them up if its a rather poor load. Iv shot a similar load using 28gram which i do like. What i would like to ask sitsinhedges please was were they a hard hitting load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Hatsanmad, sitsinhedges has given you good information, without wishing to upset you but "hard hitting" is subjective and meaning less one mans view may be different from another's. Plus what is the intended use of the cartridge? Pigeon, game, fox? I would seriously suggest you do some internet searching on shotgun ballistics and pellet energy vs velocity, choke and patterns which you may find useful. 1257fps in number 7, 6, 6.5 or 5 shot will be perfect for pigeons. Rb Edited January 10, 2016 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Mainly going to be for pigeon but iv got beaters day in two weeks so if i load up a few id use them ob that day aswell. Im loading them with 5.5 shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Cheers sitsin thanks for that. I dont want to load them up if its a rather poor load. Iv shot a similar load using 28gram which i do like. What i would like to ask sitsinhedges please was were they a hard hitting load? Well they certainly kill stuff, and despite what is printed on cartridge boxes that is a reasonable speed. I would imagine 5.5s with a reasonable bit of choke to hold the pattern together they would kill anything. You really need to load a few and try them don't you. I've a couple of large buckets full of them for when I use the 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Cheers pal. I will knock a few up and pattern them. I always pattern them now. Its helped me so much. As i said intend to use them on beaters day and some roosting days. Then i will make my normal 28gm load using 6.5 shot with as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Well they certainly kill stuff, and despite what is printed on cartridge boxes that is a reasonable speed. +1. To the OP: don't believe everything you read on the internet! No good, commercial cartridge produces 1500fps muzzle velocity, no matter how many people get taken in by the claims of ultra-high velocity that the manufacturers might make. A few misguided peoples' reloads probably do, but even if they do, they'd do just as well if the shot were thrown at 1300fps. By the time you get past 20 metres (i.e. where most people start thinking about shooting them rather than it being a "low bird"), the difference is negligible anyway and what difference there is between moderate and ultra-fast is simply reflected in a little more or a little less lead on the same bird - you still have to "aim" well in front of a 40 yard crosser either way. To illustrate how sure I am about this: I've posted elsewhere on PW about my first two forays into the world of shotgun reloading. I will be extremely happy if the two cartridges I've created produce 1200fps muzzle velocity or thereabouts. I'll be worried if they go as high as 1250fps and any higher than that I'll probably redesign them - 1300fps+ is a waste of powder. Furthermore, I've been having my most successful visits in my whole shooting career lately. I've been using a 16 gauge 28g/#6 load from Gamebore that's at least 23 years old and is barely supersonic, especially when it's cold. By golly though, the birds don't half come down well with it when I do my bit - it patterns superbly and I've made some excellent shots of late. Speed kills patterns and patterns kill birds. Use lots of good-sized shot at moderate velocity and it'll always be your fault if the bird flies on. Edited January 10, 2016 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I've done it just as that but with 30 grams of shot and proofed it at 678 bar. The proof limit for it was 740 bar. Velocity was 1257fps which in real life is a good average speed. +1. This is a good load I use it with size 6 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Well loaded a few patternd them patternd great. And even managed to down a few pigeons and crows with them so was really impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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