DerbyshireDale. Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Dave carrie was about when i was going around the country "clay shooting" he is a naturally talented shot and was always in a position to take home some cash. Maybe not in "George DIgweeds" class but hey, ( who is?) although not very far from it!! He's perhaps on a par with most of the people who have shot for England. Armed with the same cartridges and gun combination, most of us probably still would'nt hit them and i've included myself!! best wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Ive seen dave carie but not at a clayground but i agree with all the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riptide Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) I think some need to read the law as it pertains to England and Wales !! I am often wrong ,but my view of it is you cant shoot TOXIC shot ( Lead ) over any forms of wetland that includes rivers and ponds lakes reservoirs with designations and this also includes coastal wet lands or areas !!! It also refers to the fact you cant shoot wildfowl anywhere with Toxic ( lead ) I am not discussing the above shoot as dont know any thing about it I am talking about the law ! But as these regs are in force to protect fowl from picking up spent shot it must behoove us all to desist from shooting over any areas with lead if used by feeding fowl > And as a aside I am nervous of all this glorification as I see of high shooting of game , I see it on the front of shooting mags ,Like the famous drive at nods end ( made up name ) were birds are like specks in the sky !!!!!! Well us Fowlers tend to refrain from that type of high shooting as we can get pulled by our marsh wardens and club rules for high shooting as you will on Montrose Basin with the warden watching you !!!! I am starting to worry that this high shooting will come back soon and kick us in the teeth !!! Your views on this will be good !!! Edited March 22, 2016 by riptide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riptide Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) If they needed non tox they would be using it, not nessasarily steel. On a beach or not they could well have been above the high water mark, i fish port Mulgrave and have an idea roughly where they are in the video, the mean high in there would be prety far out based on my experience. Non toxic and the high water mark is part of the written law ,but one must not deposit lead shot into areas below the high water mark !!! Edited March 22, 2016 by riptide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think some need to read the law as it pertains to England and Wales !! I am often wrong ,but my view of it is you cant shoot TOXIC shot ( Lead ) over any forms of wetland that includes rivers and ponds lakes reservoirs with designations and this also includes coastal wet lands or areas !!! It also refers to the fact you cant shoot wildfowl anywhere with Toxic ( lead ) I am not discussing the above shoot as dont know any thing about it I am talking about the law ! But as these regs are in force to protect fowl from picking up spent shot it must behoove us all to desist from shooting over any areas with lead if used by feeding fowl > And as a aside I am nervous of all this glorification as I see of high shooting of game , I see it on the front of shooting mags ,Like the famous drive at nods end ( made up name ) were birds are like specks in the sky !!!!!! Well us Fowlers tend to refrain from that type of high shooting as we can get pulled by our marsh wardens and club rules for high shooting as you will on Montrose Basin with the warden watching you !!!! I am starting to worry that this high shooting will come back soon and kick us in the teeth !!! Your views on this will be good !!! I think you can shoot as much lead as you like directly into a pond or river and be breaking no law unless you are shooting at wildfowl . A different matter below the high water mark where non toxic should be used for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 And as a aside I am nervous of all this glorification as I see of high shooting of game , I see it on the front of shooting mags ,Like the famous drive at nods end ( made up name ) were birds are like specks in the sky !!!!!! Well us Fowlers tend to refrain from that type of high shooting as we can get pulled by our marsh wardens and club rules for high shooting as you will on Montrose Basin with the warden watching you !!!! I am starting to worry that this high shooting will come back soon and kick us in the teeth !!! Your views on this will be good !!! Pheasant shooters who refer to 'jolly high sporting birds' are a menace on the foreshore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) I have to agree with Riptide about the fetish for super high pheasants. I will take on a high shot ( for me 50 yards is a high shot ) provided I am loaded with the right ammo\gun to do the job. When you hear about 60 yard pheasants being shot at I wonder what the kills to miss\wounding ratio is. I watched a drive last season with plenty of high birds and the guns were using 30gr of 6s and 7s. I would have thought twice at some of the birds with a 3 inch magnum lead shell. To get the performance needed from a steel cartridge you would have needed to step up to a 3.5 inch shell and perhaps no 1 or BB pellets. Its true pheasants are not as hard feathered as duck or as thick skinned , but pheasants have a much deeper breast so the pellets have a lot of meat to get through before they reach anything vital. Edited March 22, 2016 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Is not the sternum (breastbone) of wildfowl different to (larger/harder) that of game birds too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Non toxic and the high water mark is part of the written law ,but one must not deposit lead shot into areas below the high water mark !!! At Mulgrave next stop is Norway those birds are health but not that healthy, they were headed inland, and the shot was flying in their direction some of them even got killed by some of it. They Broke no laws people can be as pedantic as they want about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think you can shoot as much lead as you like directly into a pond or river and be breaking no law unless you are shooting at wildfowl . A different matter below the high water mark where non toxic should be used for anything. Exactly and they were above high water mark. And breaking no laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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