islandgun Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 my new springer has a lot of white, Im happy about it, surely camouflage is about a mix of various colours whereas one block of colour is more visable, he also has a bit of badger "whatever" in his linneage and is a big lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 A gun who needs to stay hidden from his quarry don't want a very visible dog. A spaniel, any spaniel, is a hunting dog first and foremost. If you want to stay hidden from your quarry you have the wrong tool for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker boy Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 A spaniel, any spaniel, is a hunting dog first and foremost. If you want to stay hidden from your quarry you have the wrong tool for the job. Correct but that fact is lost amongst a lot of people. Maybe this is the reason the ess is in the state it is in at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 felly100, on 13 Feb 2016 - 7:25 PM, said: Maybe they were just far away. Maybe it was dark too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Correct but that fact is lost amongst a lot of people. Maybe this is the reason the ess is in the state it is in at the moment? Not sure what you mean by the state the ESS is in? Some trial dogs are small and not to my taste, colour bothers me not one jot, and if you want a bigger dog from trial stock you do your homework and you'll get one. I sold an 8 month old pup last week to a local keeper looking for a "big old fashioned spaniel". Breeding of that pup... current Int FTCH x dam who again was out of current Irish FTCH x Irish FTCH. What I absolutely don't want is a springer the size of a lab. Not because I want to compete in trials, but because that is just not, to my mind, a dog that is fit for purpose for its intended use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker boy Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Not sure what you mean by the state the ESS is in? Some trial dogs are small and not to my taste, colour bothers me not one jot, and if you want a bigger dog from trial stock you do your homework and you'll get one. I sold an 8 month old pup last week to a local keeper looking for a "big old fashioned spaniel". Breeding of that pup... current Int FTCH x dam who again was out of current Irish FTCH x Irish FTCH. What I absolutely don't want is a springer the size of a lab. Not because I want to compete in trials, but because that is just not, to my mind, a dog that is fit for purpose for its intended use. Just look at some of the stuff that people go trialling with. Shocking. I was at a novice Av a few weeks ago and the standard was absolutely terrible. I would not have wanted to own any of the ess that were there. No style,no pace,no nothing.The trial was won by a cocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just look at some of the stuff that people go trialling with. Shocking. I was at a novice Av a few weeks ago and the standard was absolutely terrible. I would not have wanted to own any of the ess that were there. No style,no pace,no nothing.The trial was won by a cocker Yes but that's more to do with the people turning up than the state of the breed. Over subscribed trials and the best dogs being drawn 30 or 40 is a problem but that's life. If it's that bad first should be withheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 my springer bitch is a big un weighin 27kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 When did the old fashion dogs become the new dogs?. Has anyone got a specific date?. With any selective breeding these things take time, there is a marked contrast between the typical ESS of today compared to the 50's. As their is with cockers and Labradors. I guess ultimately it's what the market dictates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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