mecman Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 has anyone got data for these powders please.first is snpe FORTE data on tin says for 12 gauge powder 5.30 gr. and shot 32 gr. the shot makes sense but not the powder next is nobel sport S4n and next is nobel glasgow no 62 formerly no 2 very old in cardboard containers unopened would like data for 12 gauge please. thank's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Its not black powder is it or some substitute of sorts, Works out ar 81 and a bit grains if you call your 5.30 gr as meaning grams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Its not black powder is it or some substitute of sorts, Works out ar 81 and a bit grains if you call your 5.30 gr as meaning grams. i don't think it's black powder it's a very small round disc. black and no more than 2 mm wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 NS S4n is similar to SIPE n and is a good powder for 30-33 gr in 12 ga. Nobel 82 need to look into my data but if you let me know what do you need i can give you some pointers Can you also provide me with the batch numbers on the tins? cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 S4n data is available at http://www.nobelsport.it/public/pages/ENG/schedapol.asp?ProdottoID=563&FamigliaID=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 After seeing the A1 load in here i wouldn't trust this data..... Also, it is important to know the batch as the powder has gone through ceveral changes in speed burning and what you have might not be what they gauge their data on. Also, the primer is Martignoni 686 which is a tad weaker than Fiocchi 615 and well weaker than CX1000 so, any change in primer will need to be adjusted to as well. ...anyway, each to their own if you need any help let me know what load would you like to shoot and the batch and will find you (possiblly) a proofed data Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 S4 is an excellent powder that will load 410, 28,20,16 and 12 bore I have some comprehensive Dara sheets of you pm me your email address Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 After seeing the A1 load in here i wouldn't trust this data..... Also, it is important to know the batch as the powder has gone through ceveral changes in speed burning and what you have might not be what they gauge their data on. Also, the primer is Martignoni 686 which is a tad weaker than Fiocchi 615 and well weaker than CX1000 so, any change in primer will need to be adjusted to as well. ...anyway, each to their own if you need any help let me know what load would you like to shoot and the batch and will find you (possiblly) a proofed data Cheers, thanks, the batch number is w183\'72 does this mean the powder is 44 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 i'd say it an old powder... what's the tin like: yellow and blue? is it a BPD, SNIA or Nobel Sport production? I'd probably relegate the powder itself to bonefire night as by now all the slvent will have evaporated and would be too fast to attempt reloading it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 What do you want in nobel 62 data. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 i'd say it an old powder... what's the tin like: yellow and blue? is it a BPD, SNIA or Nobel Sport production? I'd probably relegate the powder itself to bonefire night as by now all the slvent will have evaporated and would be too fast to attempt reloading it +1 s4 is a double base powder and therefore does not have the shelf life of a sigle base powder if more than ten years old I would give serious consideration to safely disposing of it as depending on the conditions of how it as been stored the nitro glycerine can liberate and degrade to a point where in has the potential to self ignite. Remove the cap and smell it is traditional suggest method of checking it. But when continental shooter provides the load data from the batch number he may be able to also give you the the date of manufacture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 i'd say it an old powder... what's the tin like: yellow and blue? is it a BPD, SNIA or Nobel Sport production? I'd probably relegate the powder itself to bonefire night as by now all the slvent will have evaporated and would be too fast to attempt reloading it the powder is in round thick cardboard cartons it was made by nobel glasgow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 +1 s4 is a double base powder and therefore does not have the shelf life of a sigle base powder if more than ten years old I would give serious consideration to safely disposing of it as depending on the conditions of how it as been stored the nitro glycerine can liberate and degrade to a point where in has the potential to self ignite. Remove the cap and smell it is traditional suggest method of checking it. But when continental shooter provides the load data from the batch number he may be able to also give you the the date of manufacture. no batch no on tin only 6,10,12 probably date when bought.cost £25.per kilo What do you want in nobel 62 data. ? i would like to load as near to 28 gms as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Can you try and get a half decent phhoto of these powders posted on here, im a little confused, the Forte i have no recolection of the one thats confusing me is the no 62, ... Formerly no2. Nobel 62 shotgun is kind of the forerunner to nodel 82. .. But no 2 was a rifle powder kind of .222. 223 type burn rate. Now i will add my grandfather always refered to nobel 82 as...Shotgun 82... so there could just be a numbers mix up here or something. I will recognise both no2 and nodel 62 shotgun i have used lots of it back in the day. And the S4 thats just S4. Edited August 31, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Can you try and get a half decent phhoto of these powders posted on here, im a little confused, the Forte i have no recolection of the one thats confusing me is the no 62, ... Formerly no2. Nobel 62 shotgun is kind of the forerunner to nodel 82. .. But no 2 was a rifle powder kind of .222. 223 type burn rate. Now i will add my grandfather always refered to nobel 82 as...Shotgun 82... so there could just be a numbers mix up here or something. I will recognise both no2 and nodel 62 shotgun i have used lots of it back in the day. And the S4 thats just S4. it says shotgun powder on the label no 62 formerly neobel no2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 no batch no on tin only 6,10,12 probably date when bought.cost £25.per kilo i would like to load as near to 28 gms as possible 62 is a bit sedate for 1 oz, lowest load i can find listed load that is is for 29 grains nitrocard .. felt ..klena wad, with 32 gram in a plasic case. This is old data cases were felt base wads so bear that in mind and the felt wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 it says shotgun powder on the label no 62 formerly neobel no2 I dont know then, i only ever knew rifle powder as no 2. must have been a type called that for shotguns then, as i said could be why my grandad always called nobel 82 shotgun 82 maybe the used the same numbers just rifle or shotgun. Makes you think numbers were in short suply to call powders dont it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The S4 if it's not in sealed tin then is bonefire material 100% Even with my data, given the age, you still need to proof it as mentioned, the NG would have gone and made a totally new powder. Same goes for N82 but with pics it's a lot easier to identify them; if oyu cool post some would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) The S4 if it's not in sealed tin then is bonefire material 100% Even with my data, given the age, you still need to proof it as mentioned, the NG would have gone and made a totally new powder. Same goes for N82 but with pics it's a lot easier to identify them; if oyu cool post some would be great If the s4 is scrap then send it here and I will happily use it 😀 Edited August 31, 2016 by roughshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 If the s4 is scrap then send it here and I will happily use it :lol: Glad hes not here to see how i store powder then. SMA tins plaster buckets pop bottles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) The S4 if it's not in sealed tin then is bonefire material 100% Even with my data, given the age, you still need to proof it as mentioned, the NG would have gone and made a totally new powder. Same goes for N82 but with pics it's a lot easier to identify them; if oyu cool post some would be great won't be dumping it mate it's only 4 years old. asfor the nobel 62 i have tried several carts up to 1.1.8th but can't get a clean burn. will try ounce and a quarter next . thanks anyway. Edited August 31, 2016 by mecman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecman Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Its not black powder is it or some substitute of sorts, Works out ar 81 and a bit grains if you call your 5.30 gr as meaning grams. you are probably right tony .just translated poudre de chasse noire into english and im sure it said black powder for hunting. unless anybody knows different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Its better suited to 32 36 gram shows 32 grain for 36 gram in a 70mm case. and same for 1 3 eights in a 76mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 you are probably right tony .just translated poudre de chasse noire into english and im sure it said black powder for hunting. unless anybody knows different. Duno i dont even speak English. :lol: But looked about right for a black load if it was in5.30 grams. Dont know how the french list black loads yanks tend to be in drams used to know how many grains roughly was in a dram but forgot now its ages since i used black, i use Pirodex RS in my 8 bore ML. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Well I woudnt be throwing it on the bonfire, grass maybe but don't let age put you of, I have some Schultz powder. Pre ww1 and it still shoots nice. 82 in card board containers, used a lot in the past and its a good powder. You could always sell it to the not so discriminate loaders,(I am one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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