pin Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 As it says, have needed one a while but never got round to it. Now I have looked I see they range a lot in price. Like the Deben one, looks good - but is there better out there for less cash? See there's the northerner in me coming out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Cabelas.com ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I use a bipod up front and rest the back of the gun on rolled up leggings. Ihave bought a bag for the back from ebay but it is tiny, I think it is an airgun one it's useless. Hopefully my man has got me the one I wanted on his recent cabela's trip Shootingbags.com or similar are your people - be warned, good ones aren't cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I'd noticed stu I think I have some HD foam somwhere, might fabricate something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 IMHO, if you have the front supported you are 9/10ths of the way there. Normally I just cross my arms to support the butt and do OK like that, but for zero'ing or load developing you really need to remove the human element that is probably cocking things up Of course Martin will be along later to tell you don't need any of that and only girls use bipods and the like . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I've the Deben Pro benchrest. Used it for shooting off once or twice, now it's left in the house for when I clean the rifles. It's very good for that purpose For zeroing the .223 I use the bipod on the front and either a rolled up balaclava (can take hunting rolled up makes the warmest cap ever and is easy and practical to bring that way), jumper, jacket, towel etc under the butt. For zeroing the .22lr I use rolled up material like the above fore'n'aft, second hand harris 6-9" swivel on the way though (bargain ). I'd love some really good shooting bags but the expense of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 IMHO, if you have the front supported you are 9/10ths of the way there.Normally I just cross my arms to support the butt and do OK like that, but for zero'ing or load developing you really need to remove the human element that is probably cocking things up Of course Martin will be along later to tell you don't need any of that and only girls use bipods and the like . . Stuart, You must have read my mind although I was going to keep out of it. Why not go the whole hog and not even bother holding the rifle. See Here Remember that your POI will change when you have the rifle held in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 However I would like to do some scientific tests on various .17hmr ammo and work out once and for all what works best in my rifle. Since you can't reload it will be factory, since most of them are made by cci anyway (all?) there might not be that much difference, but I need to know. More than happy my POI will change if I zero on a stand, but for comparing ammo I would rather it was the rifle and the ammo doing the thing, rather than the Geordie oaf at the blunt end waving it about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 What you need is a workmate then, clamp the barrel in and away you go. Eley have a proper test rig which involves removing the action from the stock a bolting it to a large piece of steel. Although they only do this for their own ammo batch testing and you then have to buy the batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 What you need is a workmate then, clamp the barrel in and away you go. Eley have a proper test rig which involves removing the action from the stock a bolting it to a large piece of steel. Although they only do this for their own ammo batch testing and you then have to buy the batch. Um, wouldn't clamping a floating barrel give false results? Surely the difference in the accuracy of various ammo is due, in large part, to where in the vibration cycle of the barrel the bullet leaves it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Try www. Bass Pro.com in the states and they will deliver to the UK - i had 2 Shooting bags (front and rear-cost less than a tenner delivered)) from them this morning. Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I have just ordered the MTM predator gun rest from sportsmanguncentre, it has an excellent review in June issue of Sporting gun and various places on the net, also it is 35 pounds which is a tenner off, worth a look. It is fully adjussable and only weighs 3.5 lbs. Hope this helps someone Steve B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Remember that your POI will change when you have the rifle held in a different way. Is that actually true Martin? Surely if there is no paralax in your scope the POI will remain the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 dont use a bipod for serious bench testing, they are just another inconsistancy, i use a large bag front rest, i think cadwell or someone make them, filled with rice, and a smaller rear rest (suade type) can normally be bought from largeish gunshops, but not cheap. Alternatively there are the cast type bench rests with the adjustment on them, which come in about £60, but are good. Dont forgot to counter in the price of the bags for them, as often these are not included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 By the way the MTM predator was ordered yesterday morning and arrived thirty seconds after my post, not bad eh, I will let you all know what I think of it when I get a chance to get out Steve B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 dont use a bipod for serious bench testing, they are just another inconsistancy, i use a large bag front rest, i think cadwell or someone make them, filled with rice, and a smaller rear rest (suade type) can normally be bought from largeish gunshops, but not cheap. see my post above (page 1) for cheap shooting bags !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Remember that your POI will change when you have the rifle held in a different way. Is that actually true Martin? Surely if there is no paralax in your scope the POI will remain the same? Position in rifle shooting is a lot more important than that, If you are not in exactly the same position time and time again then the shot will be different. The thing is with live shooting you wouldn't necessarily notice it, a head shot on a rabbit is after all a head shot. A shot in the 9 ring isn't a bull. THe rifle will recoil in a differnet way as well if it is held differently, or jump if not in the same place in the shoulder both sending the shot in a different place. The head of a rabbit at 50 yds is a damn sight bigger than the bull on a 50mtr target. IN theory you boys with scopes and bipods should never miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 --> QUOTE(steve b @ May 30 2007, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have just ordered the MTM predator gun rest from sportsmanguncentre, it has an excellent review in June issue of Sporting gun and various places on the net, also it is 35 pounds which is a tenner off, worth a look. It is fully adjussable and only weighs 3.5 lbs. Hope this helps someone Steve B I saw this one but for £49, didn't bother looking for a better price as I didn't know how good it was. Let us know how you find it mate, warts and all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I was originally going for the plastic MTM rest, but finally opted for the, more substantial, Deben model. On top of a £8.99 Netto 'Workmate' copy it's great for zeroing, cleaning, 'scope mounting etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I have just put it together, to be honest it feels a lillle plasticky, I got the sako on it and wound the scope up to 20x mag to exaggerate any movement, I then aimed at a small spoy about 120 metres away and did some dry firing, the gun is really stable in the rest, the rubber V stock and fore end sections hold the rifle nice and secuer. The gun did not move whilst doing this rudimentary test so at the moment it is a big thumbs up. It is also really useful for holding the gun secure for, cleaning/maintainance work to save you knocking the scope etc. I think that this is a very good product that should last ages as it cant rust/tear etc etc like other products on the market. I found the easiest way to adjust the rest was to mount the rifle with the point of aim low then adjust the front end up whilst looking through the scope. The lightness is also going to be useful simply for the transportation of the product. so far a big thumbs up, will let you all know how I get on it in the field Steve B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 i bought this shooting rest yesterday and took it to the range today and i love it i paid 150 CNDN for it from canadas equivelant to cabelas it is called wholesale sports not sure if they ship to the UK but anyway thought you might like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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