hellier0437 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 hi, i was just wondering whether the police will ever approve land for a low powered round. it's just that i want to use my .22lr for rats with something like the shotshells or CB longs. i was wondering because i don't have an open FAC and so would need to get the land approved, it's just that the rats are in an area of about 4 acres near chickens and i don't think that they would approve it normally but would they allow me to with a restriction on ammo type? the shotguns are too loud and the airgun is rubbish -spending more and more and more time getting it repaired. thanks for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Tricky one, best call you FLO. Otherwise, depending on how quick the FLO's are down there you might want to think about changing your air rifle so that it doesn't break so oftenand then use that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Buy a SH SB 410 Webley, Anschutz or Baikal for @ £50, buy a Hushpower 9 inch moderator and find someone to open the bush to suit the barrel as per the fitting instructions and you have a low priced tool absoluteley perfect for the job. Don't worry about finding subsonic ammo, I use mine with 2 1/2 inch Express and its v quiet, no need to involve your FEO either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 They will most likely approve the gun/area for what the guns max manufactured capacity is for ie. 22LR. If you have the right air riffle it will out perform the CB Long and shot 10 fold. If you shoot in barns and outdoor too, the Air Arm s410 Extra (adjustable power) will do it all very well. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sick Old Man Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 An awful lot of FAC's state that you are only alowed expanding ammo, CB long and CB Caps are not expanding. If you get caught using it you will be in the doo doo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 An awful lot of FAC's state that you are only alowed expanding ammo, CB long and CB Caps are not expanding. If you get caught using it you will be in the doo doo Not actually true. If your fac is conditioned for expanding ammo it means you can purchase expanding in addition to solids etc ammo. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 An awful lot of FAC's state that you are only alowed expanding ammo, CB long and CB Caps are not expanding. If you get caught using it you will be in the doo doo Not actually true. If your fac is conditioned for expanding ammo it means you can purchase expanding in addition to solids etc ammo. Charlie There's nothing in the Home Office guidance that says you've GOT to use expanding ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sick Old Man Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Well I am lost on this one I went to Essex Guns and tried to buy some CB Caps, the chap there said that I was only alowed to buy Expanding as stated on my ticket, Futtocks I thought!!!!! So I called my FLO and explained, he said that I was only allowed to hold expanding and I would have to get a variation in order to use a solid round, Confused . com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 What does the condition actually state, word for word, on your ticket? Mine, and many others I have seen, has an additional condition on there stating I am allowed to have/buy/use expanding ammunition and states the things I can use it for. The clear implication is that I can only use expanding ammunition for the purposes set out in the condition, but nowhere does it say I can't use solid ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 - says the same on mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Well I am lost on this one I went to Essex Guns and tried to buy some CB Caps, the chap there said that I was only alowed to buy Expanding as stated on my ticket, Futtocks I thought!!!!! So I called my FLO and explained, he said that I was only allowed to hold expanding and I would have to get a variation in order to use a solid round, Confused . com This sort **** spouted by gun shops is bad enough but when it is spouted by a flo it's unbeleivable. I can assure you that (unless your fac specifically states you may only purchase expanding ammo, and I am sure it does not) you can buy solids. Until a few years ago expanding was not even restricted and it was not mentioned on your ticket. They then changed the rules and added it to "hunting" tickets so you could use it if you wished. I would get back on to the manager of your firearms licensing dept and tell him what his flo is saying and also get him to put the shop straight. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 What it says on one FAC may or may not be included on another. The Police can add conditions to suit the needs of the individual and confine the individual to suit their own requirements so the wording needs reading very carefully indeed. The use you make of your weapons is detailed in the initial conditions and then an additional condition is added (if required) detailing use of Expanding ammunition if that is allowed. BUT the wording within that Expanding Ammo condition allows NOTHING that isn't allowed in the conditions above. ie Expanding ammunition may be used for..........1,2,3,4...... but ONLY if the FAC allows that within the other conditions. Take care you stay within the law as many people assume wrongly the condition relating to expanding ammunition allows them to use their rifles etc for the purposes stated whether or not that faclilty is afforded by the above coditions detailing the specific weapons. That is NOT the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sick Old Man Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I think you chaps are right, I have just very carefuly read my ticket and it states :- " Ammunition including expanding ammunition and expanding missiles Maximum quantity authorised to be possessed at any time Calibre Quantity Calibre Quantity .22RF 750 .17HMR Exp 250 .17HMR 250 .22RF Exp 750 ii Maximum Quantity authorised to be purchased or acquired at any one time Calibre Quantity Calibre Quantity .22RF 500 .17HMR Exp 200 .17HMR 200 .22RF Exp 500 This is it word for word, I would say I can possess solid, I will phone my FLO again and sort this. Ta Chaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I think you chaps are right, I have just very carefuly read my ticket and it states :- " Ammunition including expanding ammunition and expanding missiles Maximum quantity authorised to be possessed at any time Calibre Quantity Calibre Quantity .22RF 750 .17HMR Exp 250 .17HMR 250 .22RF Exp 750 ii Maximum Quantity authorised to be purchased or acquired at any one time Calibre Quantity Calibre Quantity .22RF 500 .17HMR Exp 200 .17HMR 200 .22RF Exp 500 This is it word for word, I would say I can possess solid, I will phone my FLO again and sort this. Ta Chaps That's okay for what you've got as you can't reload rimfire but if you had centrefire, the expanding missiles inclusion means that in any specified calibre the bought ammunition, reloaded ammunition and the bullet heads (the expanding missiles) can't exceed your hold maximum. So if you had a maximum of 200 and had 150 complete rounds, technically you could only hold 50 expanding bullet heads ready to reload. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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