rowland75 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 What should I buy? It will be new, most likely in beech, and to be used for rabbits mainly. Please tell me why. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 You won't get much response to this, the ".177 vs .22 argument" comes up on here so often its not true. Seriously, do a search in the airgun section, make a pot of tea and read through the 20 odd pages of threads on the subject. The crux of the matter is it won't make much difference. On here .22 seems to have the slight edge in support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Many thanks Pin Im not after a .177/.22 comparisson in general, more a specific S410k answer. I was hoping that people with either caliber could add why they have .177 or .22 in the 410 and what they shoot. I just cant decide which to buy. Cheers Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 sub fac (and if ur a good shot) .177 12ft+ get a .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Eh? Essentially you are asking ".177 or .22" though, you really are You know which gun you want, you just can't decide on calibre! If it were me I would buy the .177, easier to get to grips with the trajectory than the .22. They are both as powerful as each other and will both kill to similar ranges, rabbits, squirrels and pigeon which is what you'll end up shooting. There is virtually nothing to choose between them, flip a coin :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Eh? Essentially you are asking ".177 or .22" though, you really are :look: You know which gun you want, you just can't decide on calibre! If it were me I would buy the .177, easier to get to grips with the trajectory than the .22. They are both as powerful as each other and will both kill to similar ranges, rabbits, squirrels and pigeon which is what you'll end up shooting. There is virtually nothing to choose between them, flip a coin Yep that pretty much sums up what im after It will be a S410K, I am used to .22 springers, but the .177 trajectory is appealing. I really would like someone to say get that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I have both. check My Sig. I really do find that you can have confidence in shooting rabbits over 30 yards with a .177. I love both my rifles. But will have the .22 converted to FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I have both. check My Sig. I really do find that you can have confidence in shooting rabbits over 30 yards with a .177. I love both my rifles. But will have the .22 converted to FAC. Thanks for the reply. If you couldnt have fac, which would you chose though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 What is your main concern here? Are you worried you will buy "the wrong one" ? See, you can't buy the wrong one, they both do the same job .177 is faster, flatter shooting but smaller lighter projectile. .22 is slower, more loopy shooting but heavier projectile. .177 shoots flatter, which means you don't need to be as good with judging distance as you would with .22. Both guns zero'd for 25yds To shoot a rabbit at 35yds you would need to "hold over" or aim higher with the .22 than you would with the .177. Both will kill your target species with a well placed shot. The .177 will use more air so you'll get less shots per fill than with .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Personally my next sub 12ftlb air rifle will be a .177 for the reasons pin has stated. Espically, being naff at judging distance bit! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi Pin You are right mate, im after a definitive answer as to which calibre s410k to buy for rabbit shooting. When I went to my local shop they said .22 is the preferred gun, but those in the know say .177. I wont use it until im happy with my aim, also I have never hunted with .177. I am confused to say the least. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi Dan Hows everything going, esp your dog? Thanks for the advice. That is my main thinking for .177 as distance isnt my strong point. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Hi Dan Hows everything going, esp your dog? Thanks for the advice. That is my main thinking for .177 as distance isnt my strong point. Pete Dog is bonkers! Moving away saturday so will have some money to actually buy some guns! Although unfortunatetly the current lead time for FAC's/SGCs is 6-8 months! So I will apply in the next week or so, then save like a mad man so when I get the certs I will be straight down the gunshop and seeing what deals they will do with 2 guns at once! Although I may buy a nice air rifle now and then when get my cert get it converted to FAC. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I have both. check My Sig. I really do find that you can have confidence in shooting rabbits over 30 yards with a .177. I love both my rifles. But will have the .22 converted to FAC. Thanks for the reply. If you couldnt have fac, which would you chose though? I'd have both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I.ve just bough (provided the vendor comes through on the deal :blink: ) an SS410 in .177, I've been shooting stuff (loads of pigeons, no rabbits with a Lightning XL converted to gas ram in .22. This was my first gun bought as an adult (i.e. first 12 ft lb gun). The guns I had as a kid must have been around 4 ft lbs as I've been amazed at what this gun would penetrate. The first backstop I used was my wheelbarrow on its side - I thought the pellets would bounce down into the ground. They split the steel of the wheelbarrow, didn't exactly penetrate but I was amaxed. Having shot straight through several pigeons, I realise that pellet placement is everything, so I chose .177 for my new (first foray into) PCP rifles. I'm attracted because of the flatter trajectory. If you hit it through the brain it is dead, simple as that. .177 or .22, doesn;t make any difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Well I've always used .22 since thats all I have used in just over 20 years of Airgunning fo bunnies, works for me :blink: Still on .22 but now FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I should have added thant If I was going FAC I would have said .22 definitely. If I had a need for FAC, I would go for either a .17 HMR or a moderated subsonoc .22LR. For sub 12 fl lbs I'm going with the flow and there are a few pigeons with .177 holes in their heads shortly appearing her soon. Next question, charging?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I should have added Thant If I was going FAC I would have said .22 definitely. If I had a need for FAC, I would go for either a .17 HMR or a moderated subsonic .22LR. For sub 12 fl lbs I'm going with the flow and there are a few pigeons with .177 holes in their heads shortly appearing her soon. Next question, charging?!Get those muscles built up and get a stirrup pump, It's not really that difficult, Just keep your back strait and bend your legs and use your weight on the downwards :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Why does a pcp use more air when firing a .177 than it does when firing a .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I should have added thant If I was going FAC I would have said .22 definitely. If I had a need for FAC, I would go for either a .17 HMR or a moderated subsonoc .22LR. For sub 12 fl lbs I'm going with the flow and there are a few pigeons with .177 holes in their heads shortly appearing her soon. Next question, charging?! Diving Bottle :blink: I have a 300 Litre one, lasts ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I'm going to take your advice on board and post the question on a seperate thread when I've done more reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 A couple to get you going http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35427 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=35057&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Mark:; it uses more air to get the projectile moving at a faster speed than the .22 pellet so that they have the same force, although spread over a smaller area with the .177 Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Mark:; it uses more air to get the projectile moving at a faster speed than the .22 pellet so that they have the same force, although spread over a smaller area with the .177 Tom Now i see :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted June 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Guys Thats great advice, and I will be going for the .177. Please keep the discussion going though...... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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