Verderbt Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Hey, new to the site here. Well in British Columbia (Canada) we have the PAL. Aka Possession and Acquisition Licence. Turns out it covers air rifles as well as normal firearms, so you are unable to own any air rifle that shoots above 495 fps. Basically I'm unable to get an air rifle here over 495 fps anyways since they have all been converted to PAL specs. Whats your opinion on hunting with a rifle that has been tuned down to 495 fps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 hi mate i would say as long as it is accurate and you shoot within its capabilities. by the way how much would a good motel cost for overnight stay per person ,im thinking of visiting canada for 3 weeks next year to visit relatives but i don t want to be tied down to 1 place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I am trying to convert fps to ft/lb! What is 495fps in ft/lb on a .22? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verderbt Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I am trying to convert fps to ft/lb! What is 495fps in ft/lb on a .22? Umm... it completely depends on how heavy the pellet is. How many grains? It would be worlds of difference if you were shooting a Kodiak instead of a Crosman wadcutter for instance. If it helps, 1.3558 Joules produces 1 ft/lb. Also, Canadain airguns need to be under 4.2ft/lbs ( 3.4Joules, and at 495fps) if you dont now own a PAL. 4.2! Yeah that sucks when I look at the 12 ft/lbs you guys get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancs Lad Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I am trying to convert fps to ft/lb! What is 495fps in ft/lb on a .22? Umm... it completely depends on how heavy the pellet is. How many grains? It would be worlds of difference if you were shooting a Kodiak instead of a Crosman wadcutter for instance. If it helps, 1.3558 Joules produces 1 ft/lb. Also, Canadain airguns need to be under 4.2ft/lbs ( 3.4Joules, and at 495fps) if you dont now own a PAL. 4.2! Yeah that sucks when I look at the 12 ft/lbs you guys get! Wouldnt even consider hunting anything with it mate.............No way near powerful enough..... paper punching only at those Ft/LBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verderbt Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 So basically I'm screwed unless I can get a PAL and fluke out finding someone selling an airgun around well above 495fps. Gah, I'm better off just buying a .22 rifle... Dont need a lisence for those anyways Gotta love stupid laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 hehe they wont let you have a air arms s400 for example then arent bothered about a cz.22lr liking those laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verderbt Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Nah, pistols and anything with a clip size greater than 10 shots I think you're unable to have. There's just a hunting store in the next town over that sells .22 hunting rifles as long as you prove you're over 19. They dont ask for a firearms lisence, hahaha. But to give you an idea how isolated my little town is, I need to drive 2 hours just to get pellets. No store in my town sells pellets, air rifles, hunting rifles, or anything. Lancs Lad: The clerk at the store where my friend just bought his air rifle said that he was going out to hunt grouse with the air rifles available there. Are they just stupid or do they know something I dont... I just dont want to go out and shoot something and only injure it or it goes off and dies an hour later. So I guess you could say I'm still wondering whether or not an air rifle (.177, 495 fps) is a viable hunting gun for small game if you only go for head shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I'd much prefer your rules to ours. At least you can have semi auto rifles in centre fire calibres and pistols! Why not just get a PAL, or is it not that simple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verderbt Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 As far as I can tell, you also need a normal Firearms lisence to get a PAL. The PAL requires a written and practical test. So I'd have to drive off to some town down south and spend probably upwards of a grand total for all these lisences. Then I'd have to wait several months for it all to be processed by our ever so lovely government. I'm seriously tempted to just buy a "replacement" spring for my damn gun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 The licence that you need is a Firearms Possession and Acquistion Licence . This licence allows you to buy rim fire and center fire rifles as well as a FAC air rifle. Pistols fall under another licence dealing with restricted weapons YOU MAY NOT Just buy a .22 rim fire without this licence legally. Nor are you allowed to just go and hunt grouse with an airgun Fac or not without a valid small games hunting licence. I think you had best spend some time and research the Canadian Firearms site and your Provincal Natural Resources site to see what your licencing requirements are. These sites will also give you the licencing requirements, course locations, and test locations. In many situations a Conservation Officer can administer these practical and written exams for you. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verderbt Posted July 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 The licence that you need is a Firearms Possession and Acquistion Licence . This licence allows you to buy rim fire and center fire rifles as well as a FAC air rifle. Pistols fall under another licence dealing with restricted weapons YOU MAY NOT Just buy a .22 rim fire without this licence legally. Nor are you allowed to just go and hunt grouse with an airgun Fac or not without a valid small games hunting licence. I think you had best spend some time and research the Canadian Firearms site and your Provincal Natural Resources site to see what your licencing requirements are. These sites will also give you the licencing requirements, course locations, and test locations. In many situations a Conservation Officer can administer these practical and written exams for you. NTTF I have a bird hunting lisence. Costs $15 and you can get it straight away at any post office or 7-11 here. I need a new one as this one runs out in september I believe... (in a drawer somewhere), and I havent even gone hunting yet. oh well just $15. Doesnt work for other small game though, not that there are any around here. As to the firearms lisence, I know. Even though I could buy a .22 I havent, thus why it isnt listed under the arms in my sig. But back to the main question of the thread. Is a .177, 495 fps air rifle a viable hunting gun for small game? (Yes with a legal bird hunting lisence as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Glad to see you are conforming to the Provincial and Federal laws Had me worried that someone had sent you down the wrong garden path there . I suggest you read this thread: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...mp;#entry244188 Using the calculation available I would put that gun at 7.89 foot pounds and would have to say no. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 495 feet per sec in .22 with a 14 grain pellet==7.61 foot pounds at muzzle. in .177 with 8 grain pellet muzzle energy ==4.3 foot pounds its a no no for hunting really in both calibers.=========to work out foot poundage then velocityx velocityx pellet weight divide by450240==foot poundage. If you want to convert feet per second to miles per hour then fpsX0.6818=== MPH. ie 800fps X0.6818 =545mph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verderbt Posted July 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Those poor grouse! The person I was talking to said they were going to use a cheap Daisy 953! I feel like going for a 2 hour drive just to yell at that jerk. Well, I went to the local rcmp today (they're all we have besides the DFO) and I got some forms and a couple numbers. Thanks guys for the info. As annoying as it'll be I'd much rather shell out the money to upgrade my current gun than to feel like a total jerk wounding animals. Now when I upgrade my rifle to 1000fps with a new spring, piston and spring guide... that 25.5ft/lbs with a Beeman Silver Arrow will be nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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