any door fitters/locksmiths on here

[Zoli 12 guage]

i have a problem with my front door which firstly i must stress,is not locked.

however,i cannot open it as the latching mechanism is partially engaged and BECAUSE the 10mm square bar that links the door handles together as it passes through the corresponding square hole in the locking mechanism/gearbox that operates the latches has broken into (it looks like) at least 2 pieces.

so basically both handles and the square bar are fine BUT would spin round like helicopter blades doing nothing if the wall wasn't in the way.

i thought about taking the hinge pins out,however,the top pin is not possible to extract as the pins are maybe 80 mm long and there is only 25 mm max clearance above it.

there is no room to get a grinder or ow't else in to cut the pin into smaller bits as it comes out.

the door itself is,i think the correct term is "over rebated" which means i can't get anything down the side to try and disengage the latches by "poking"

i have a new full locking mechanism to be able to swap out if and when i manage to open it.

i have trawled the tinterweb/YouTube etc and i can't find anyone else having or covering this problem.

TIA

Edited June 4 by Zoli 12 guage

[old'un]

Blimey, never heard of the door handle spindle braking before, but anyway, I changed my locks for 4 star anti bump locks, just removed the plate (inside) from door and there was the door spindle, is your not the same? Some picture may help.

Edited June 4 by old'un

[Zoli 12 guage]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

Blimey, never heard of the door handle spindle braking before, but anyway, I changed my locks for 4 star anti bump locks, just removed the plate (inside) from door and there was the door spindle, is your not the same? Some picture may help.

i can't open my door bud and the locking mechanism isn't an issue.it's the latching mechanism 

otherwise repairing it wouldn't be a problem.

if the problem was the square bar or the door handles it wouldn't be a problem as I'd just open it with a screwdriver or a new square bar anr/or handles but i need to get it open to be able to completely swap out the complete latching/locking mechanism which is about 1800 mm tall.

[ph5172]

Is it a solid bar that goes straight through that you can pull out. 
 

have you taken the handle and surround off. 
 

you may find there is another cam hole slightly lower. 
 

failing that try inserting the bar part into the good side and see if you can throw the latch that way 

[Zoli 12 guage]

25 minutes ago, ph5172 said:

Is it a solid bar that goes straight through that you can pull out. 
 

have you taken the handle and surround off. 
 

you may find there is another cam hole slightly lower. 
 

failing that try inserting the bar part into the good side and see if you can throw the latch that way 

handles and bar are on the floor and are not faulty or worn.

the bit that the bar passes through,which is inside the door (and operates the locking/latching mechanism) is broken into at least 2 parts so will not grip the bar and therefore does not allow the door to either latch or unlatch.

there is no "good side" as it's broken into at least 2 pieces

Edited June 4 by Zoli 12 guage

[ph5172]

You could try cutting an ice cream tub lid and using this to slide down the inside of the door and catch the top of the latch and open it that way 

[Poor Shot]

28 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

handles and bar are on the floor and are not faulty or worn.

the bit that the bar passes through,which is inside the door (and operates the locking/latching mechanism) is broken into at least 2 parts so will not grip the bar and therefore does not allow the door to either latch or unlatch.

there is no "good side" as it's broken into at least 2 pieces

Can the two parts not be glued or epoxied into a single piece to allow you to insert a flat blade against the two 'good' edges or the original bar to open? 

Failing that, glue something like a piece of dowel into the bit so that the rotating pressure is distributed fairly around the broken bit. 

Is there a way to access the mechanism that is keeping the latch pressed into the keep? 

[Zoli 12 guage]

thanks for all the replies everyone 👍😎

ended up drilling a hole into the ceiling space above the top hinge and then grabbing the hinge pin with a pair of mole grips as i drifted/punched it up and into the hole i'd drilled.

anyway,door was off,open,old unit removed and new one fitted and adjusted up in 3.5 hrs so all's well again 👍