JONO Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I own a perfectly good Adv Timber parka (although ridiculously priced at £125 from Deben) and its great for roosting and general wear along treelines but I have been captivated by the new MAX-4 pattern of camoflage. Its my birthday soon and I was considering treating myself to something twice the build quality and half the price from the cabelas catalogue to possibly cover the following aspects of my shooting:- a) woodies over stubble b] wildfowling along the Bristol Channel c) general open land rough shooting and walked-up hedgerows Whilst I know that any outline-disrupting pattern works for woodies does anyone have any thoughts about this pattern and its potential uses? Thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Jono An interesting concept.... I have admired it myself and at the price would seem to be good value... However how much of these things are gimmicky and impractical? Quite a lot I would say. I have looked at all makes and types and patterns of camo gear over the last 10 or so years which will do me for decoying, fishing, rough shooting and wild fowling and no matter what I consider I always come back to good old Ex army DPM and my waxed cotton Barbour. You might scoff at this but believe me 100,s of thousands of pounds are invested in the design and manufacture of clothing for the British Army and it is bloody good stuff. I have a realtree jacket and trousers which hardly gets worn. My threequater length Gortex DPM jacket and lined goretex overtrousers are used almost every week for something or another and although 6 years old are tough as hell. The barbour is 15 years old and good as ever it was.! My mate is a bachelor with a good business and all the disposable income you could wish for. He has the best guns, best fishing tackle, and best clothing but I invariably shoot and fish the pants of him. So my moral is application and field craft. ( Mind you he pulls a lot of birds with his 350 GT) Take my advice and buy your self some proper army utility clothing, it will last you for ever! Regards, Mike. PS I also have Deerhunter Nebraska suit which is very good quality. Whether it will stand up to the same useage as the dpm remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I tend to agree with F M, reams have been written about effective cammo patterns and the general conclusion seems to be, that any broken background pattern is effective. However, if you want one, buy it. A word of caution about buying mail order from the US, as I am sure you know, you will be liable to Import Duty and VAT, which could add 27.5% to your order and there is also the postage. Unfortunately, it makes those "cheap" prices, not so cheap. Before anyone bothers posting about how they order stuff from the US and have never paid any extras, I have never been that fortunate. I have also paid Import Duty and VAT on Birthday and Christmas presents, from the US and Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JONO Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Two replies from the guys I'd hoped to get replies from! Thanks lads FM: I agree about clothing, generally speaking, but as its a hobby I s'pose expenditure is permissable (although some of the goretex ex-army stuff is almost equally expensive). Oh but one thing... You might scoff at this but believe me 100,s of thousands of pounds are invested in the design and manufacture of clothing for the British Army and it is bloody good stuff. Perhaps - but look at the DPA/DERA's record on procurement and history of overspend coupled with ultimately going for the cheapest bidder and one is allowed a little scepticism. Cranfield: I have an acquiantence in maryland who will forward it on as a pressie etc - any idea how often bits and pieces get stung for upon arrival in the UK? In two minds now - which is a good thing one way or t'other Thanks again chaps. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Anyone sending anything to the UK has to fill out a Customs Declaration form, which shows what the item is and its value. A Company like BassPro, Cabelas etc will not lie, they put the true amount, including the packaging and postage costs, you are taxed on the total. A friend sending a present can lie and put a lesser value on the form. If it doesn,t look right (too low), or by random slection, then the package can be opened and checked. If its felt that the value has been understated, then your friend is liable under US law and the goods are confiscated. You could try putting "Used", or "Secondhand" on the form, to justify a low figure, then make sure the "new" labels and packaging are removed from the item. I have heard this can work. The real problem is that you have to involve a friend. Its not you taking the risk, its the Sender. I,m not comfortable with doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyni Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Cranfield is legally 100% correct apart from the fact that you are legally allowed to send for stuff that is under 18 quid and a present that is sent has to be under 36quid. Im still fine about the Duty/VAT because I buy from the 'Bargan Cave' which has already low prices with up to 60% off. The best way to get cheep stuff over is to go yourself and take a suitcase in a suitcase and fill up, take labels off or even wear the items. Or get someone who is going there to bring the stuff back (Cabela's will deliver to a hotel) for you -labels. I have done this and it is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JONO Posted July 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Buggrit - yer only 30 once. Have just bought this, $129 (exchange rate of almost 2:1):- Wonder how much Deben would be charging for it? Yee-har! "Happy burfday to me, happy burfday to me, haaaapy buuuuufday dear Jono, haaaapy burfday toooo meeeeeeeeee" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyni Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Happy B'day Jono That's a good buy and in the 'Bargan Cave' which saved ya $50 more. Thats a 4 in 1 jacket that will keep you warm so much so that you will probably get away with a T-Shirt under it even in the middle of winter. I know from experience as I have one. The bomber jacket that detaches is great little extra you have actually just bought two coats. You will be impressed. Over here UK that would cost you somewhere in the region of 200 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JONO Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 WHAT A FANTASTIC JACKET! Great hard-wearing material, shell loops, 8 pockets, zinger etc etc. and warm, so warm! The jacket arrived and it will be perfect for wildfowling, shooting on stubble, winter shooting over muddy fields - hedgerows and pretty much any open terrain you can think of as well as matching the ground beneath tree canopies - look out of your car windows at the fields outside and you wonder how this pattern isn't on general sale except for in a few specialist items?! Stop paying UK prices for overpriced imported products - Walls make Deben's jackets - Deben mark up considerably and there really isn't any need. Vive la revolution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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