gav Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 a friend of mine breeds 1 or 2 litters a year from her working cockers the grandsires are tawnyhill line ! however she doesnt understand the new docking law . can i with a shottie cert take the pups to a vet . which is easier said than done ! as the local 1 has retired ! with a letter stating that the dam works she is panicking that the pups are gona have to have long tails ! dont want to cause probs as i mite breed 1 of my ess later this year . ps need a male hob ! either for permanent sale or rent when my 2 jills are in season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 a friend of mine breeds 1 or 2 litters a year from her working cockers the grandsires are tawnyhill line !however she doesnt understand the new docking law . If she`s breeding for profit, and at 1-2 litters a year it would appear she`s near that, then she`s all on her own IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBF Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 this was the first thing that came up in a google search. easy way to find the answers you might need for anything.. it covers your questions too http://www.cdb.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 the vets ask for various documents of proof. i had (got a litter docked in november) for a freind of mine who has working cockers. she will need a letter from a landowner / shoot or someone who has land to undertake vermin controll stating that the intention of breeding is that the dogs shall be worked on that land/shooot.and also a copy of a shotgun cert. when arriving at the vets they download the nessacary papers from defra one to be signed by tha owner one by the vet. you then have to later return to any vet to have the puppy microchipped.when the puppies go to new homes a copy of those papers are given to the new owners who then temselves have to provide the nessacary documentation to defra to say they want to breed for working purposes if neccasary. hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 By chance I happen to have my documents here and if you want a copy and have a fax machine I will send you a copy. First things first you need to find a vet who is prepared to do it as a lot simply refuse which is their right. Then as said it needs to be of a permitted breed which it is then it needs a requirement to be docked, in this case it will be the lawfull shooting of animals. In this instance the owner or agent of the owner needs to submit with the paperwork a current shotgun or firearm certificate or written evidence from one of the following that the person has worked their dogs etc A gamekeeper, Land occupier (or agent), a person with shooting rights, A shoot organiser, club official and a few others. Its not that difficult to get done but all the pups have to be microchipped and all will have a copy of the certificate that comfirms all the conditions have been met. Its purely a technicality but it does help to have a friendly vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspertguk Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I have just bought a 9 week old English Springer and she has her tail docked, Vet had no problem doing it for the farmer as they are gonna be working dogs, the only thing he did say was that they had to be micro-chipped at the same time or he wouldn't do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav Posted January 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 yeah thanx . not many vets round here will dock . my usuall one wouldnt even remove a rear dew pup of a pup last year . he did a crackin job on a c section with all 9 live pups but blew it when we argued over the claw . thanks am gonna look into basc website . but how do i know at 1 day old which pup will work and which will be shown as i think no docked dog can be entered into a show now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBF Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 but how do i know at 1 day old which pup will work and which will be shown as i think no docked dog can be entered into a show now if you are working and showing the pups then they will be **** at both. you either have good gundog lines or good show lines ive never heard of both from one litter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 You have to either select dogs to be docked or leave them there is no way of knowing which will make good workers and which good showing dogs. Most pups go back later to be microchipped as 1-3 days old is very young to be chipped considering the size of the needle used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 In the past, I've always done my own docking and probably will again, if I decide to breed from my latest spanial. Normally first litter about 5yo, 2nd at 7yo, then the chop. I make sure that they only go for working as prospective buyers are under close scrutiny and questioning. I always kept one pup bitch for myself off the last litter as an ongoing replacement but had to buy a new one as the last had to be unfortunately put down before she had a 2nd litter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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