potshot Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 A recent thread got me thinking. A game bird is legally defined under the Game Act, whether is bred in captivity or is truly wild, it is still a game bird and protected and may only be taken as defined within the Game Act. As far as I can see the only ground game that we have in the Britain is the hare. The fact that a game bird in on the ground does NOT make it ground game. So if your FAC should say game on the ground then it follows the only game you can take is a hare. Now you legal eagles get posting............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 If poaching they also class rabbit as ground game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Magman is right - i know they are vermin, but if you are caught poaching them, in the eyes of the law they then become ground game. Edited January 27, 2008 by tulkyuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) So if your FAC should say game on the ground never seen this on an fac but have seen ground game, would it allow you to shoot game birds, on the ground. Edited January 27, 2008 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 This is very interesting! Is a 'winged game' bird classed as 'ground game' when on the ground? Although I can't seem to find many references to this but the ones I have found seem to make a distinction between the two. Can anyone quote the wording of the law on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Is a 'winged game' bird classed as 'ground game' when on the ground? no russ it is a game bird mate. take no notice of my last post , made a ruck of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 but just to throw a spanner in the works.. <A href="http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?showuser=2750">mry716 View Member Profile Remove Friend Send Message Find Member's Topics Find Member's Posts ipsmenu.register( "post-member-391429", '', 'popmenubutton-new', 'popmenubutton-new-out' ); Oct 27 2007, 07:17 PM Post #3 Ace Pigeon Shooter Group: Members Posts: 737 Joined: 13-February 06 Member No.: 2750 Rabbits are 'Ground Game' not vermin so you need Pest Control on your FAC and whilst they are changing it ask for Sporting Purposes as well as that covers head shot pheasants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potshot Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 So when an aircraft lands and then runs along the tarmac it suddenly becomes a bus - no I don't think so.............. # A game bird is a game bird and ground game is ground game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 A game bird is a game bird and ground game is ground game . I am not 100% sure your right here, As i dont shoot game birds. Can you point me to the correct wording of the law please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 So if a game bird or any other for that matter is roosting in a tree is that ground game or what??? and before you ask no i dont Know.....Makes you think though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I think you may have lost the plot and i also think Mr bivvy has been at the drinks cabinet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Like all things to do with UK law any question you may want answering will require looking at quite a number of Acts rather than the one you may expect. In this instance there are lots of different aspects that have been brought up that only add to muddy the waters. For instance - Rabbits are Ground Game in law. This was further enhanced because they were a valuable meat source during the last war and as Game any poaching could be controlled. This brings in that particular Act – The Poaching Prevention Act 1862 which defines GAME as hares, pheasants, partridges, eggs of pheasants and partridges, woodcock, snipe, rabbits, grouse, black or moor game and eggs of grouse or moor game. Unfortunately there is no standard definition of Game in UK Law and so one needs to consider what the word actually encompasses purely in relation to any specific Act that so defines the word. We are unable to assume that the definition used in one Act is valid in another. It may be but not necessarily so. The following are some of the Acts that need to be read and comprehended before even a reasonable assumption may be made. The Game Act 1831 (which mentions rabbits but doesn’t class them as game) Game (Scotland) Act 1832 which does not even define Game but uses the Night Poaching Act 1828 definition Hare’s Act 1848 which specifies game (incl hare) must not be shot at night Game Licences Act 1860 specifies that it is an offence to take game by means of a dog and in this instance includes rabbit and deer. BUT does not define the term Game merely suggesting those that are generally treated as game. Game Laws (Amendment) Act 1877 Game laws (Amendment) Act 1960 Game Act 1831 (amended 1970) which does not specify Rabbits but does say Game must mean game of all kinds wild or tame, dead or alive. Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 You could go on ‘ad infinitum’ and still not reach a satisfactory answer for yourself let alone one that would satisfy members of this forum. Suffice it to say a Game Bird on the ground is considered just the same as the bird in the air – but less sporting. And in reverse a rabbit on the ground is still considered as ground game even if you should find it roosting in a tree. If you really want to delve more deeply may I suggest you buy a copy of Charlie Parkes and John Thornley – Fair Game (The Law of Country Sports and the Protection of Wildlife). This will afford an excellent insight into Game shooting law in both an easy to read way and one that is most applicable for anyone shooting Game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I think an fac air rifle or a rimfire HAS to say ground game......as you simply wouldnt shoot either in an upward trajectory...would you? I spoke to my flo about this and he said that if I have permission to shoot game on my permission then it doesnt matter WHAT I shoot them with....and thats good enough for me! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) If you really want to delve more deeply may I suggest you buy a copy of Charlie Parkes and John Thornley – Fair Game (The Law of Country Sports and the Protection of Wildlife).This will afford an excellent insight into Game shooting law in both an easy to read way and one that is most applicable for anyone shooting Game. I'm selling a copy of that on Ebay (360017046745) at the moment :unsure: :good: Edited January 28, 2008 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 good post mry, thank you. cant stop i have a plane to catch at the bus stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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