jonno Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi, I was thinking about using CCI CB longs (32ft lbs - 29gr) where I would like something less than a 22lr sub and especially something *very* quiet. (I realise they still go a long way and need a good backstop!) Does anyone know how good they are on bunnies - and to what range are they happy using them compared to a lr sub? Also, what are they like on ricochets compared to expanding lr subs as they are solid? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGun1 Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Asked the same question a while ago. No one replied!!! I ordered some from my local RFD in November but they never appeared. I still want to try some though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 HI guys, I've used them. The CB long and CB short are exactly the same. They are only propelled by the powder in the primer/rim. They are very quiet. Most of the time shooting them you hear the firing pin/spring louder than the report of the gun. My HW35 11 ft-lb air rifle is louder. That said, they aren't that accurate for my gun. They held >1" groups at 40 yd, which isn't acceptable by my standards. They are a soft round nose and don't expand. They do ricochet, so you have to be careful. For me, the CCI subs were almost as quiet, had a heavier bullet, and were a lot more accurate. With a moderator (which I don't have yet) they would be plenty quiet enough. The CB's ARE useful for finishing shots or trapping. A shot placed right behind the ear on a rabbit, squirrel, or groundhog is an instant kill. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackg Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 CB shorts have a shorter case than CB long hence the names. CB long is the same case length as a std 22LR round but the short is err shorter. I think the short were for fairground use in some way. Shorts would not cycle in my Sako 22LR, longs would but would not group. The trajectory is diabolical but some folk use them for squirrels, FEOs don't like them apparently if used in trees due to safety and backstops. If your gun cycles them and is accurate then good on you. I still use my FAC PCP for squirrels and take head shots at 50yards which never ceases to amaze me with its accuracy, I do not think I could do the same with the CB longs because the trajectory is so poor, drops like a stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Many thanks for the resplies. I don't have a semi-auto so cycling shouldn't be a problem for me so I think I'll have a go now I've found somewhere that stocks them! A keeper friend tells me the best way to get squirrels was to wait until it rains so they are in their drey, then use a 12b from underneath! Not much fun though. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sick Old Man Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I have tried CB Caps I think the ones I have are CCI, they are not bad at groups out to 30yds. I used them to kill rabbits in the farmers garden, they will whizz through a half inch sheet of marine ply at 30 yds so please do not underestimate them, they also bounce like crazy. I would stick to a standard expanding sub sonic round, if you have pests in trees to get rid of I can not recommend a silenced 410 highly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Have used them for some years now. Yes the CCI CB Short is shorter and often used in small revolvers. I think they are as quite as Winchester Subs, I hear not difference at all. OK out to 25yrds and then they drop quickly. Accuracy could be a problem but if you have a good air rifle then use it for such stuff. I think they are great for teaching young shooters. I let my son use them. If one did go off wrong it won't go far. The first box I was sold was to shoot pigeons of branches, as I didn't have a great air gun at that time. I never use them for that purpose other that for one unmissable shot. I just felt that if you got a bad load in one it could do damage and it wasn't worth the risk. I did some research on here and other places and the feeling was the same. DON'T trust a power round for shooting into the air. But I still use them for my son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyflier Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) CB long have an energy of 24 ft lbs at 100 yards. Subsonic 40gr ammo has an energy of 98 ft lbs at 100 yards, I hope that gives you some idea of the difference. CB long is ok at short range, maybe up to 40 yards and you would need to hit the rabbit in the head to kill it outright, I think it is safer in places where you can't use a 40gr bullet and yes they will bounce, but once these tiny things have hit the ground, there isn't much energy left in 'em. All ammunition must be used with great care of course and I'm not suggesting for one minute that the CB long is not lethal. I'll include the link to CCI ballsitics in here for you to look at: (CB stands for conical bullet) http://www.cci-ammunition.com/ballistics/rimfire.aspx Also, if it helps, I had to wind my scope up 68 clicks to zero for the CB long at 100 yards Edited February 8, 2008 by hyflier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) hyflier point on scopes reminded me on another point. If you don't have parallax adjustment you may find it hard to zero at e.g. 25 or 30 yrds. I tried to on my Hawke 3.5x10x42 @ this range and it wouldn't, the retical moved all over the place. So I just use the Mil-dots to sort it out. Edited February 8, 2008 by Big Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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