everygoodnamewastaken Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 Just a quick note to say i had my police visit and it went good, she was pretty cool but didnt have much of a clue about the lisence and didnt know i could apply before i was 17. She said that i have 99.9% chance of getting a the certificate . I havent been on for ages cause my net got cut off for lack of work in school :evil: so im wasting more time in school on here trying to doge the teachers looking at the screens...........Thanks for all the help guys and is i need anyone to shoot my pigeons when im a gamekeeper i know where to ask for help............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdowns hunter Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 EGNWT dont waste your time in school, stick in and get some good exam results otherwise you will have no time for shooting when you leave because you will have to work all hours in a dead end job just to pay your way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 egnwt, glad the visit went OK, they are only human beings doing a job. I agree with HH, your generation need all the education you can get, to succeed in the future. Time spent now will pay dividends in later years. Lecture over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Sent my shotgun cert. off for renewal on Nov.3 and today received phone call from firearms dept. asking to come and see me at 11o,clock Friday.Fingers crossed that this time tomorrow I will be "legal" again after 2 months without a certificate. :what: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Good timing Ernyha, just in time for all those end of season beaters days and c ock days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well the man from West Midland,s Police arrived on time and was with me for 20 minutes.The majority of the time he spent apologising for the deteriation of the service for certificate applications.I said that this was unusual for his force and I had several times gone into print in the shooting press and on the web praising their efficiency in the past.In so many words he said "please go back into print and say how disgusted you are at the service now". He made it quite obvious that he was embarrassed at the way shooters were now being treated. After he had checked the serial numbers on my guns (security check),he made to leave,at which point I asked for my certificate.He then staggered me by saying that this was just the start of the process,but he would try and hurry it up by saying that I was shortly going on an overseas shooting trip .He also advised me not to send my existing certificate in future when applying for renewal even though it is one of the conditions layed down by his force.Needless to say I am a bit deflated as I am still without a certificate after over 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Ernyha,did you ask him how you were supposed to buy cartridges in the meantime?Thats crazy,how can a renewl warrent so much hassel to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 I dont understand why forces cant grant a temp certificate on the spot until the new one if ready, also that way renewals wouldnt be in the middle of the season when you really need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 The main question is, why some Police Forces require the old licence returned with your renewal form and some don,t. There is supposed to be a complete standardisation of procedures, for the application for and renewal of, shotgun certificates. I think ernyha would be completely justified in writing to his Chief Constable, asking for an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everygoodnamewastaken Posted January 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well i phoned up my fao to see when my lisence should be due in because i have my first pheasant shoot at the end of January, She phoned backand talked to my mum who explained that all i go on about is shooting ect ect ect, then my mum said how i was saving for a rifle but forgot to mention it was an air rifle. The fao then said that i should put in for my firrearms certif just now so it costs less in the long run! The thing is that i dont have any land sutible for rifles. But i think i'll say i wast a 5 shot shot gun or something so i can get the lisence, And it would look good on my college applications I magine.....A police officer recomending me to buy firearms!!!!! Amazin!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 They arnt all bad egnwt the reasion they will push for you to apply for both together if they think that you are going to apply for a fac in the near future is that it saves them paperwork and extra visits,I would be surprised if they grant you sgc and a fac for a 5 shot shotgun,they will want to know what reasion would you have for needing one (usually practical shotgun)or if you have a fac and no sgc it means you can hold a shotgun on fac thus saving money on extra applications.How about appling for a fac air gun?it will be much easier to demonstrate good reasion for this and you would probably get more use out of it.Are there any rifle clubs near you?perhaps you could apply for .22lr for target shooting.The thing you will have to demonstraight is that you have a fair knowledge of what you want a bit of experiance and of course are going to be safe with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everygoodnamewastaken Posted January 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 There is rifle clubs very close to me but theres no point joining up because im moving out 9 hours away to do a gamekeeping course! ( Which i cant wait till) I think i'll get a fac airgun. Clarify this: Can you get a double darrled shotgun on a firearms? Then what is the point of me getting a shotgun certificate? Do you need it to buy ammo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 theonly shotguns you can have on a fac are guns with more than a 2 shot magizine,in practice this means either a 5 or 8 shot pump or s/a,if i was set on getting a fac i would also get a sgc as a matter of course (if they grant a fac a sgc will not be a problem)and you then have a choice of the more conventional shotguns to choose from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Well I now see that it is an automatic 5 year sentence to be caught with a gun without a licence.As my licence expired on Dec 17th and no sign of the police renewing it,I assume that I am liable to be a guest at one of HM prisons if stopped while out shooting. :S :S :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 It seems that friday will be the day when we find out what they intend to do .i think the best we can hope for is "a promise to look into the matter further"probably involving a load of reports and meetings and the worst,well further restrictions and bans,they seem to have it in for brocock at at the moment (the people who make the air cartridge guns) and air soft/replicas.Although i have no particular interest in any of these items i definatly dont want to see any kneejerk bans imposed,the thing is the government and head honchos in the police force have to be seen to be doing somthing.one things for sure,whoever said that all publicity is good publicity definatly wasnt a shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everygoodnamewastaken Posted January 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Just a not to say i got my shotgun certificat through yestarday The fao even rushed it for me because i had a shoot to go to if i got it Well done Strathclyde Police thumbs up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Lucky you,3 months and counting. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everygoodnamewastaken Posted January 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 http://www.parliament.the-stationery-offic...k/pa....p15.htm That may or maynot interest people but have a look anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 egnwt, alls well, that ends well. Thats an interesting "letter". The part about shotgun certificate holders, having to apply individually and show "good reason", for any additional guns they may require, would certainly affect some people I know, who have as many as 8 to 12 shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 The letter is very interesting regarding the section on shotguns.His opening assessment is that "they are unaware of any real problems with legally owned shotguns or of their misuse." He then goes on to give a list of recommenations to tighten up the law even more.We can,t win can we ! :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 This seems to be the very thin end of the wedge,i have the last basc newsletter here that says talks with poice and government officials have led to the conclusion that there us no need for further restrictions and age limits on airrifles etc.What has changed?some lunatic with a type of weapon that has been illegial in this country since just after the second world war opens fire and all of a sudden you need to be 17 to use an airgun unsupervised and we need good reasion for shotguns.I think this proves one thing the government and most high ranking police officials despite what they say want a far smaller number of guns in private ownership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well,it,s finally happened. Amongst the gas and electric bills,Postman Pat delivered a brown envelope from WM Police and inside was my long awaited shotgun certificate.Legal again after over 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Ernyha,just out of curiosity what is the issue date on your certificate?have they backdated it 3 months or is it starting from now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Neil, issue date 17/12/2002,so legally i was covered all the time as my old one expired on 16/12/02. The problem would have been if asked to produce it between Nov 2 when I sent off my old one and yesterday.Also buying cartridges could have been a problem if it hadn,t coincided with my mate buying "double quantities" during that time. 8-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviddjlloyd Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 THREE CHEERS FOR YOU MATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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