Not happy with new Raider 10

[relivingmyyouth]

Don't get me wrong. It feels great, looks great, and in fact i'm really glad I bit the pellet and bought it. I love it; and its lovely Weihrauch silencer; and its little frrts!! BUT ......

 

My pellet testing tells me it's well down on power

 

Best figures are 10.9 ft/lbs from a Defiant 5.48 with the next best 10.3. The highest velocity being 602ft/sec from RWS Hobbys with the next best being 575. Only 8 of 32 pellet types came over 10ft/lbs

 

I have sent an email to Webley but I don't expect much help from them...

 

I know that, rightly, 'tuning' PCPs is a no go area but if anyone has any suggestions I will be very glad of them.

 

I've never worked on a PCP but have done a few springers

 

As I said, all suggestions gratefully recieved

Edited April 11, 2008 by relivingmyyouth

[kdubya]

The mechanism of this rifle has been factory set to ensure its power falls within the current U.K. 12 ft.lbs. maximum kinetic limit allowed without possessing a firearms certificate. The hammer adjustment screw is bonded to the hammer and any adjustments made will break the bond. Unless rebonded the hammer spring compression may vary which will cause inconsistent power.

If the bond is broken, consult Webley & Scott.

 

seems most raiders are sent out at 11.2 max with a heavy pellet not sure of the weight of your pellets but 10.9 aint far out

it aint gonna come at 12lb!!

cheers KW

[chrispti]

I had the same figures with my s410, I also found that my peak power was at 150bar not 190 as aa recomend, power droped off at 90bar. s410s are eaisly adjusted though if you know how, I adjusted mine to 11.5ftlbs using aa field 16g pellets. I only did this so that the aim points on my hawke sr12 scope would be more accurate as they are designed for the trajectory of a .22 16g pellet @11.5 ftlbs. After I did this the aim points where bang on, however I didnt notice any change in the guns performance. Depending on weather conditions and you capability you will still bowl bunnies over at 50 yrds with a 10.5ftlb rifle.

[Big_Sam]

I recommend you check the seal on the pellet probe, mine was perished and I lost over 1ft/lb power. Got a new seal from webley for free and back up to full power.

[kdubya]

I had the same figures with my s410, I also found that my peak power was at 150bar not 190 as aa recomend, power droped off at 90bar. s410s are eaisly adjusted though if you know how, I adjusted mine to 11.5ftlbs using aa field 16g pellets. I only did this so that the aim points on my hawke sr12 scope would be more accurate as they are designed for the trajectory of a .22 16g pellet @11.5 ftlbs. After I did this the aim points where bang on, however I didnt notice any change in the guns performance. Depending on weather conditions and you capability you will still bowl bunnies over at 50 yrds with a 10.5ftlb rifle.

 

 

problem with that is that is that running at 11.5 with 16g pellets means that a 21g pellet WILL put the gun over the top, most police test stations use bis mags as the test pellet they aint interested in what you use? most gun manufactures put the guns out in the high tens now to keep under 12lbs

cheers KW

[chrispti]

I had the same figures with my s410, I also found that my peak power was at 150bar not 190 as aa recomend, power droped off at 90bar. s410s are eaisly adjusted though if you know how, I adjusted mine to 11.5ftlbs using aa field 16g pellets. I only did this so that the aim points on my hawke sr12 scope would be more accurate as they are designed for the trajectory of a .22 16g pellet @11.5 ftlbs. After I did this the aim points where bang on, however I didnt notice any change in the guns performance. Depending on weather conditions and you capability you will still bowl bunnies over at 50 yrds with a 10.5ftlb rifle.

 

 

problem with that is that is that running at 11.5 with 16g pellets means that a 21g pellet WILL put the gun over the top, most police test stations use bis mags as the test pellet they aint interested in what you use? most gun manufactures put the guns out in the high tens now to keep under 12lbs

cheers KW

 

How do you know what pellets the police use?

 

If you got arrested and the police confiscate your rifle and ammo, I quite sure they would test the equipment you where caught with?

 

The case report sent to the CPS would be an interesting read too!!!!!

[kdubya]

I had the same figures with my s410, I also found that my peak power was at 150bar not 190 as aa recomend, power droped off at 90bar. s410s are eaisly adjusted though if you know how, I adjusted mine to 11.5ftlbs using aa field 16g pellets. I only did this so that the aim points on my hawke sr12 scope would be more accurate as they are designed for the trajectory of a .22 16g pellet @11.5 ftlbs. After I did this the aim points where bang on, however I didnt notice any change in the guns performance. Depending on weather conditions and you capability you will still bowl bunnies over at 50 yrds with a 10.5ftlb rifle.

 

 

problem with that is that is that running at 11.5 with 16g pellets means that a 21g pellet WILL put the gun over the top, most police test stations use bis mags as the test pellet they aint interested in what you use? most gun manufactures put the guns out in the high tens now to keep under 12lbs

cheers KW

 

How do you know what pellets the police use?

 

If you got arrested and the police confiscate your rifle and ammo, I quite sure they would test the equipment you where caught with?

 

The case report sent to the CPS would be an interesting read too!!!!!

 

 

simple? one of the blokes I shoot with is a tester for the coppers in my area, they use the heaviest standard pellet most easily available, bloke got done a couple of years ago here for a gun running at 12.4 yes agree its stupid but he got done anyway, didnt go to jail or get fined but he lost the gun, then tried to sue logun as he said he never touched it? logun said you must have and peed him off?

and I will repeat they WONT use your ammo? its all about what the gun can achieve?

sorry just been on the phone he use THREE different weights of pellets light medium and heavy ( dont use exotics like dae sung etc just ready available from local gun shops)

cheers KW

[chrispti]

I had the same figures with my s410, I also found that my peak power was at 150bar not 190 as aa recomend, power droped off at 90bar. s410s are eaisly adjusted though if you know how, I adjusted mine to 11.5ftlbs using aa field 16g pellets. I only did this so that the aim points on my hawke sr12 scope would be more accurate as they are designed for the trajectory of a .22 16g pellet @11.5 ftlbs. After I did this the aim points where bang on, however I didnt notice any change in the guns performance. Depending on weather conditions and you capability you will still bowl bunnies over at 50 yrds with a 10.5ftlb rifle.

 

 

problem with that is that is that running at 11.5 with 16g pellets means that a 21g pellet WILL put the gun over the top, most police test stations use bis mags as the test pellet they aint interested in what you use? most gun manufactures put the guns out in the high tens now to keep under 12lbs

cheers KW

 

How do you know what pellets the police use?

 

If you got arrested and the police confiscate your rifle and ammo, I quite sure they would test the equipment you where caught with?

 

The case report sent to the CPS would be an interesting read too!!!!!

 

 

simple? one of the blokes I shoot with is a tester for the coppers in my area, they use the heaviest standard pellet most easily available, bloke got done a couple of years ago here for a gun running at 12.4 yes agree its stupid but he got done anyway, didnt go to jail or get fined but he lost the gun, then tried to sue logun as he said he never touched it? logun said you must have and peed him off?

and I will repeat they WONT use your ammo? its all about what the gun can achieve?

sorry just been on the phone he use THREE different weights of pellets light medium and heavy ( dont use exotics like dae sung etc just ready available from local gun shops)

cheers KW

 

I might look into it by asking my local FAO, Im not calling you a lier mate, just interested to find out some more detail, having just asked the old man who is a retired copper and my mrs who is a serving copper, seem to agree with my previous statement.

[relivingmyyouth]

Thanks all for your help so far.

 

None of my guns, all sub 12ft/lbs like Magnums of any kind. However

 

Bis Mags, Bis Pest Control, Weihrauch Mags all come in around 9.5 ft/lbs and 440-480 ft/sec. Logun Penetrators 9.7 and 525. AA field 10.18 and 529. By the way its .22

 

I'm going to run with Weihrauch F&T Specials which gave 10.08 and 549. Single hole @ 20m. I will run a power curve from 190 down to around 80 and see what happens. Did seem to have a sweet spot around 150-160 but only a 1 pellet type test run will tell.

 

My family are going to hate me

 

Watch this space....

[kdubya]

I had the same figures with my s410, I also found that my peak power was at 150bar not 190 as aa recomend, power droped off at 90bar. s410s are eaisly adjusted though if you know how, I adjusted mine to 11.5ftlbs using aa field 16g pellets. I only did this so that the aim points on my hawke sr12 scope would be more accurate as they are designed for the trajectory of a .22 16g pellet @11.5 ftlbs. After I did this the aim points where bang on, however I didnt notice any change in the guns performance. Depending on weather conditions and you capability you will still bowl bunnies over at 50 yrds with a 10.5ftlb rifle.

 

 

problem with that is that is that running at 11.5 with 16g pellets means that a 21g pellet WILL put the gun over the top, most police test stations use bis mags as the test pellet they aint interested in what you use? most gun manufactures put the guns out in the high tens now to keep under 12lbs

cheers KW

 

How do you know what pellets the police use?

 

If you got arrested and the police confiscate your rifle and ammo, I quite sure they would test the equipment you where caught with?

 

The case report sent to the CPS would be an interesting read too!!!!!

 

 

simple? one of the blokes I shoot with is a tester for the coppers in my area, they use the heaviest standard pellet most easily available, bloke got done a couple of years ago here for a gun running at 12.4 yes agree its stupid but he got done anyway, didnt go to jail or get fined but he lost the gun, then tried to sue logun as he said he never touched it? logun said you must have and peed him off?

and I will repeat they WONT use your ammo? its all about what the gun can achieve?

sorry just been on the phone he use THREE different weights of pellets light medium and heavy ( dont use exotics like dae sung etc just ready available from local gun shops)

cheers KW

 

I might look into it by asking my local FAO, Im not calling you a lier mate, just interested to find out some more detail, having just asked the old man who is a retired copper and my mrs who is a serving copper, seem to agree with my previous statement.

 

seems much like everything else to do with guns each area may be a little different

however the only force I can get any published detail on is the met this is their procedure

best to keep it right

cheers KW

 

Metropolitan Police Service

 

Any airgun suspected of being over the prescribed limit is tested at the Met’s forensic laboratory in Lambeth.

 

The airgun is tested using three weights of pellets providing a data spread over a wide bandwidth. In use are Eley Wasp, H&N Diablo Spitz Kugeln and RWS Hobby.

 

Also tested are any pellets found with the airgun at the time of its confiscation.

 

In cases of borderline results, say 11.7fpe for rifles, further careful tests are carried out using individually weighed pellets.

 

Any single reading with any of the pellets that is above the firearm limit makes the gun a section one firearm.

 

Information is passed to the Crown Prosecution Service who decide whether it is in the public interest to prosecute

[oneshotkiller]

i'm really confused as you can see on my other post i'm looking to buy a new air rifle probably a hw 100k in 177 it states on hull cartridges adds these put out 11.5 ftilbs of energy ?? does that mean with the heaviest pellets or what ?

[Big_Sam]

Out of interest, what pressure are you testing the velocity at?

 

My raider is 10 ft/lb at 190BAR

 

12 ft/lb at 140BAR

[relivingmyyouth]

in the interests of testng pellets accuratly i kept the pressure between 160 and 190. I am going to run a power curve from 190 down to 80 with one pellet type, plot the results and see what happens from there on.

 

thankyou all. keep the info coming