InGen Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Hi. Something i have been thinking about over the past few months or so. Just wondered what sort of requirements there are to start a club i have 6.5 aces of open land. I take it i can just stick a few traps on it and open a book and say I'm a club lol. What sort of money are we looking at to get going. please help thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Well, you need 300 yards in every direction you shoot as a safety zone, so no rights of way, roads etc. You need permission if you are going to drop clays or lead on someone else's property. You can shoot 28 times a year without planning permission, but you will need a permits from the police, if people without shotgun certificates shoot, and people shoot while the owner of the ground is not present. You will need insurance, members of a Club can not sue the Club, but everyone else can. You can pick up 'good' traps for £600 to £700 each second hand but unless you can leave them out you need trollies and storage. Batteries, relases, bins, shooting cages, and hundred other things Get onto the CPSA website they do a booklet which I think you can download. They can also point you in right direction for insurance. If you want any more, let me know Kermit the frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 hi thanks i will check out the CPSA and i have some measuring to do lol. i will ask if there is anything else that pops into mind thanks for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Planning permission will the key. If you run a club part of the attraction will be the stress buster evening sessions, plus convenience, so you'll need it to open a lot. In business you need to make your assests work for you all the time. Also check there is no covenenant on your land about what you can and can't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 It depends on what you want to do. A club for a few mates where you all own the 'Club' is fairly easy, but once visitors can turn up it becomes something else, and it has to be run and shown to be run on professional lines. Planning permission from the Council is VERY difficult to get. Noise is the main problem. 6½ acres isn't very big when you look at the fallout areas. Rugby & District trap club have 3 ABT/UT layouts each say 60 yards wide =180yds by 300yds fallout = 54,000 yds² = 11+ acres, plus somewhere for all the other odds & ****. Trap is easy to lay on as everyone shoots in the same direction. If you don't own the land be carefull. Kermit the frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 thats what i was thinking about just traps. the club would only be for people who bring there own guns and around here everyone has there own gun. Noise is no problem what so ever there is only 130 people here most shoot anyway and there are always gun shots so the noise would be nothing different to anyone here. and i do own the land. it was used to graze horses but we dont have any now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) . Edited November 20, 2008 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 lol nothing is easy but this would be great to do i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Sounds like you have got a chance Best of luck If you want any help, shout! Kermit the frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 It all depends where in the country side you are shooting. I recently did an afternoon clay shoot on 1/2 an acre in the borders. The neighbours don't mind and farm is ok with using the field for fall out. Go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 300 yards is required but not insisted. I shoot at a site that runs at the side of a busy motorway and motorway slip road. The rest of the site is wooded. The local police have no problem with the site and they shoot every second Sunday. They put a container on bricks for a base and snak bar and the traps are kept in another secure container. No planning permision needed because it is all mobile. All the best taz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 I have been checked twice by Police and they insist on 300 yards. Spent shot can go more than 250 yards, balled shot goes further. The Police say that anyone struck by pellets has been shot, if you are running the ground they will blaim you. Get in touch with Chris McVerry at the CPSA, he's the expert Kermit the frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 (edited) April and May editions of Clay Shooter has an article about setting up a clay club. Might be worth a read. Edited April 19, 2008 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 275m of fall out on flat land is the guideline. Natural or man made barriers can make this less, and using smaller shot ( 8 & 9s only) will allow 250m instead of 275m 6 1/2 acres is a non starter in my view, windage and erratic shooters mean shot will go outside this. Big Sam saying he shot in 1/2 acre is misleading - what he actually has was stands in 1/2 acre and shot flying over 10 acres. When I ran Stanhill Claysports we had 15 acres, and had to do all shooting into the centre to keep it on ur land. Not easy with high targets, wind, and people shooting early or late putting shot in places we didn't want it to go. Swing limiter help in that situation, but that goes out the window for a left hander, as most cages are set up to restrict right hand fire. If you have written permission for shot fallout on adjacent land this is fine. If you don't you can be sued for trespass, pollution, and any damage / injuries. Its not necessary to own the full fall out zone, but you must have fall out rights and the right to exclude other people. CPSA have downloadable information on everything you need to do to set up. Forget planning at the outset. Prove you can work safely without upsetting people under 28day GDO's first, and seek planning later. Fresh planning on a Virgin site is going to need an environmental survey ( pollution and Noise), and expect to pay £10,000+ for them, if you are going to have any hope of convincing planners when you and the site have no history. Jerry Parks Young - CPSA Senior Coach and Safety Officer Oh, and Chris McVerry took over my role as Training Manager, but the ground aspect went to Paul Rendall, Chris doew not handle grounds as I did) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted April 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 hum of behind us are 69 aces of fields and i know the guy how owns them so I'm going to ask if he minds us shooting in the direction of his fields and if clays and shot land on his land. i take him bottle of whiskey or something and he will say yes lol. the only house is at the end of the fields to the right so we shoot from to the left. now to download all those info packs on how to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyb Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 sounds like a good idea int to many clay grounds to shoot at round hear, where abouts are you based in norfolk. hope all works out for and good luck matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted April 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 based in thrandeston close to diss. printed off all the books etc now to do some reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 you MUST get it in writing. There is a ground that had been falling out lead for 20 yrs with verbal permission, farmer died, son inherited, and has sued the ground for clear up of all lead, resulting in their closure. No proof any arrangement ever existed exists, and a later owner can sue for environmental damage. If you put lead onto some-one else's land and cant prove you had permission, you are setting a time bomb as a liability claim can run back up to 40 yrs. In another example ( and this has come up twice now), tons of crops have been rejected because of pellets, in one case in cauliflower, in the other in corn. BIG bill for the shoot as a result. The best arrangement is to compensate the farmer for the return on the acreage you fall out on and have him put it to grass, so you pay him a rent, say £50 pa / acre, and he does not crop or graze it. Ask for an annual agricultural license - its a simple legal document that will give you the land rights for a year, but make sure that it includes shooting rights and the right to leave lead. Clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted April 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 ya lol dont worry i get everything legal wise in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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