What New Scope

[Dunkield]

Andy, a 1" tube is normally classed as 25mm mate not 30mm

I think that is why he said 30mm or 1"

[tulkyuk]

Andy, a 1" tube is normally classed as 25mm mate not 30mm

I think that is why he said 30mm or 1"

 

 

 

Dont think so stuart, read his other post.

[Dunkield]

I see what you mean, I took it to mean "can't tell 'em apart" meaning that old chesnut of light gathering between 30mm and 1"

But it guess it could be read as "can't tell the 'em apart" between 30mm and 1" in diameter, in which case a trip to Specsavers may be in order . .

[pavman]

But i personally think you need more Mag for a 223 - because you can reach out and touch the long range stuff with some practice

 

 

I'd suggest something like 4-16 for magnification, 200 yards and farther out things get veeeeery small very fast. Fixed mag is good in that there is less to mess with but, as it says on the tin, it's fixed isn't it? I like options.

 

When I'm buying any half decent scope and upwards I always go 30mm tube size, mostly because I've watched Dr Strangelove too many times and don't want a tube size gap opening up...

 

My scope's objective is 56mm so I have it set on 8x as normal, works for me. If I need a wider field of view I go back down to 5.5x, if I need to, as Tulky put it, reach out and touch something, then up she goes usually to 15x or so but where ever looks best.

 

If it were me I'd buy a ridiculously expensive variable scope with a reticle I loved and great glass, but then again that's why I'm working two jobs now isn't it

 

Oh yes, one other thing. If you do go variable, please try to ensure your lowest magnification isn't some silly high number A wider field of view at a lower mag can be extremely useful at times.

Yep, that works for me, just be aware that many cheaper scopes change their zero when you change the magnification, expensive scopes don't. Zeiss Diavari V 3-12 x 56 with a 30mm trube works well for me on my 223, I have seen nothing to beat it at dusk and dawn.

 

Zeiss 3-12x56 Conquest 30mm Matte No.8-plex Reticle Telescopic Sight

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[Baldrick]

Pav, are you sure that the Zeiss Conquest that you mentioned above in priced at GBP 752.95? I ask because I looked at one when I bought a Meopta from Eurooptics.com recently, and that Zeiss was USD 750. Meopta manufacture the Zeiss Conquest range, BTW.

[pavman]

Pav, are you sure that the Zeiss Conquest that you mentioned above in priced at GBP 752.95? I ask because I looked at one when I bought a Meopta from Eurooptics.com recently, and that Zeiss was USD 750. Meopta manufacture the Zeiss Conquest range, BTW.

 

 

Balders i just googled it and came up with Optics Warehouse its last on the list

 

http://www.opticswarehouse.com/acatalog/Ze...pic_Sights.html

[bob300w]

Look at this little belter then, it's on the shopping list!

 

http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/proddetai...256T&cat=12

 

Course, I have got to persuade 'er indoors that she does not really want a week in Cyprus this year first.....

[tulkyuk]

Look at this little belter then, it's on the shopping list!

 

http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/proddetai...256T&cat=12

 

Course, I have got to persuade 'er indoors that she does not really want a week in Cyprus this year first.....

 

Bob,

 

One of my gamekeeper mates has one of those little babies - its the mutts Nuts, its an ideal stalking scope and he has used it to great effect on many Fallow, Roe and Munty this year and quite a few charlies too!!. Its sits on top of his Blazer R93 in .243

[Baldrick]

Fair enough, Pav, but if I was you (bearing in mind that the Conquest range is built for Yanks and distributed via the USA), I'd buy that scope from an American outlet.

[sweepy]

I when for the S&B 8X56 scope with the 30mm tube and they are fantastic piece of equipment,If you go for hungarian made they are usually around £100 cheaper than the Germany one costing around £400

 

Sweepy

[pavman]

Fair enough, Pav, but if I was you (bearing in mind that the Conquest range is built for Yanks and distributed via the USA), I'd buy that scope from an American outlet.

 

 

would have no probs doing that but last time i got a jacket from bass pro i also got an import tax bill form the UPS man which made it the same price as in the UK,,,,,,,you cant win,,,,,,,,then it leaked!

[Mungler]

I see what you mean, I took it to mean "can't tell 'em apart" meaning that old chesnut of light gathering between 30mm and 1"

But it guess it could be read as "can't tell the 'em apart" between 30mm and 1" in diameter, in which case a trip to Specsavers may be in order . .

 

 

Since we are being nit picky, the 1" (aka 25 mm) and the 30 mm are no different to look through and barely any different to look at - 5mm accross the diameter is very very small (.39 of an inch) - using the micrometer yard stick of Matt's todger we would be talking .195 of said todge when angry.

[pavman]

right then from all this it seems my best bet is a 8X56 S&B or Zeiss with 30 mm tubes???

[tulkyuk]

Good choice to start you off - but i bet you will want more mag in a month or 2 - PM me or johngalway and ask for the link to the guy that sells Leupold scopes (Very cheap - at least half the price you would pay in the uk for one) - he normally gets 1 to you in less than 3 days from order.

Edited April 29, 2008 by tulkyuk

[bob300w]

I see what you mean, I took it to mean "can't tell 'em apart" meaning that old chesnut of light gathering between 30mm and 1"

But it guess it could be read as "can't tell the 'em apart" between 30mm and 1" in diameter, in which case a trip to Specsavers may be in order . .

 

 

Since we are being nit picky, the 1" (aka 25 mm) and the 30 mm are no different to look through and barely any different to look at - 5mm accross the diameter is very very small (.39 of an inch) - using the micrometer yard stick of Matt's todger we would be talking .195 of said todge when angry.

Since we are being nit picky, 5mm = 0.197", not .39", I would suggest that you work on Matt's todger a bit less, it's giving double measures.

Try your 25mm and 30mm side by side at dusk, that's when you will see the difference. (in performance, not in size).

[Mungler]

Bob, you are correct I stand corrected.

 

We are talking .0985 of LV's......

 

Pavman, if you are ever passing Essex way (perhaps on your way to the big city to swop cows for magic beans or buy a bucket of electricity etc) then you are welcome to peep through my S&B's.

 

Incidentally, I am outing a rifle shortly and one will probably be freed up. I had always thought that there was f'all difference between the 1" and 30mm tubes - I think Fister put up a very scentific thread on the subject and someone else got a quote from S&B themselves.

[pavman]

Bob, you are correct I stand corrected.

 

We are talking .0985 of LV's......

 

Pavman, if you are ever passing Essex way (perhaps on your way to the big city to swop cows for magic beans or buy a bucket of electricity etc) then you are welcome to peep through my S&B's.

 

Incidentally, I am outing a rifle shortly and one will probably be freed up. I had always thought that there was f'all difference between the 1" and 30mm tubes - I think Fister put up a very scentific thread on the subject and someone else got a quote from S&B themselves.

 

 

I offer 3 beans for the S&B, i normally get a cow or a goat and 3 hens for that so it only seems fair

 

BTW did i mention my place of birth and upbringing?

 

now shall we discuss Mil Dot calculations for the avg Charlie or shall i start another thread, either way I am easy

[Dunkield]

You won't get mil dots on an S&B unless you go top end (PMII?) and if you choked at the cost of the Zeiss, you certainly won't want to go down that rocky road

It is definitly worth a very good look through whatever you are considering, and most importnatly, in the conditions you intend to use it in.

 

And I would disagree that there is difference between 1" and 30mm tubes for light gathering, and that has been backed up by S&B themselves.

 

[and the differnece between 1" (25.4mm) and 30mm isn't 5mm, it's 4.6mm]

[JohnGalway]

Good choice to start you off - but i bet you will want more mag in a month or 2 - PM me or johngalway and ask for the link to the guy that sells Leupold scopes (Very cheap - at least half the price you would pay in the uk for one) - he normally gets 1 to you in less than 3 days from order.

 

Yup, Leupold guy is excellent to deal with, I also know another USA based Ebay seller that *may* be able to source certain scopes for you if asked Just to check how good our customs guys are here I've asked for a certain item I've ordered to be shipped USPS instead of the usual gurrier, sorry, courier companies. Got to keep those civil serpents on their toes Or at least have them earn their ridiculously high wage.

 

 

now shall we discuss Mil Dot calculations for the avg Charlie or shall i start another thread, either way I am easy

 

Wouldn't bother with it, haven't used it so I'm sure someone will put me in my place about that last bit (What, on PW? I hear you all say ). Am using 40 grain Hornady Vmax right now, zeroed at 200 yards 0.9 high at 100 -5.5 inches at 300 and I don't really care beyond that. I also know a good ranger finder guy online if you're ever looking to buy one of those gadgets, they're quite handy

 

Oh yes, and another thing. There's nothing wrong with buying a second hand scope either, especially if it's a quality brand. Could save you a ton of money, my current Nightforce is second hand And I'm still sorry I didn't have the spare cash when Frank was selling his S&B.

 

Hmmm I must write that down in the big book of miss excuses... "Previous owner used it as a tyre iron, nail bar, hammer..."

Edited April 29, 2008 by JohnGalway

[deadeye ive]

Pav

 

Forget 30mm tube and put the money saved buying 25mm into decent scope mounts .I still have 20/20 vision and can't see any difference between my 2 S/B's despite what S/B State .

The Meopta 7 x50 mentioned earlier will more than likely have a fine cross air which'll you'll loose in lamping conditions and the cross air on a 8 x 56 s/b is quite broad for that reason (Ideal at night )

If going for a fine cross air then the added illumination option might be worth considering .

8 x 56 is ideal up to 200yds depending on your confidence and ability

 

If ordering on -line then be absolutely certain on your choice of cross air and if it's a variable power scope then what focal plane the cross in as well !!............I speak from experience

[Mungler]

Ive,

 

I must bung you a fiver for the sales pitch.

 

Payman, I have a lovely 8x56 S&B 25mm you might be interested in.

 

I have two of the most magnificent set of 30mm mounts (choice of Leopold or Nightforce if you don't mind using a spacer).

Edited April 29, 2008 by Mungler

[bob300w]

Pav

 

Forget 30mm tube and put the money saved buying 25mm into decent scope mounts .I still have 20/20 vision and can't see any difference between my 2 S/B's despite what S/B State .

The Meopta 7 x50 mentioned earlier will more than likely have a fine cross air which'll you'll loose in lamping conditions and the cross air on a 8 x 56 s/b is quite broad for that reason (Ideal at night )

If going for a fine cross air then the added illumination option might be worth considering .

8 x 56 is ideal up to 200yds depending on your confidence and ability

 

If ordering on -line then be absolutely certain on your choice of cross air and if it's a variable power scope then what focal plane the cross in as well !!............I speak from experience

If you want to see the difference, put the eye chart from Robert Bucknells book "Foxing with Lamp and Rifle" up at 100 yards at dusk, look through a 25mm and a 30mm, and you will see it. Admittedly not an astounding difference, but there is one.

[pavman]

Ive,

 

I must bung you a fiver for the sales pitch.

 

Payman, I have a lovely 8x56 S&B 25mm you might be interested in.

 

I have two of the most magnificent set of 30mm mounts (choice of Leopold or Nightforce if you don't mind using a spacer).

 

Call it intuition but I new you where going easy on me for a reason you sly ole Fox!

 

I will Trade you 3 of my magic beans 2 chickens (these will be Highlanders) and a choice of mine or Mrs P old pants. Honestly speaking I just tried the cough cure suggested in this thread and just between us the washing machine is standing by

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=58975&hl=

[deadeye ive]

If you want to see the difference, put the eye chart from Robert Bucknells book "Foxing with Lamp and Rifle" up at 100 yards at dusk, look through a 25mm and a 30mm, and you will see it. Admittedly not an astounding difference, but there is one.

Bob

 

I maintained I have 20/20 vision for a reason

 

There are alot of mr magoo's on here and in the world of shooting where the quality of europeon glass is wasted and they don't know it

 

Like I said i have both 25mm and 30mm schmidts and can't see the difference .....I don't need a book

 

Andy

 

It's a tenner mate .......see you at Bisley

[Dunkield]

Forget 30mm tube and put the money saved buying 25mm into decent scope mounts .I still have 20/20 vision and can't see any difference between my 2 S/B's despite what S/B State .

Just to reiterate, S&B have said, in writing, there is NO difference between the two - not the other way round.