bignoel Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 (edited) went out yesterday set up at 9 am on the blackies 3 of us spread apart over this farm not big attall but enough to accomadate maybe 4 shooters anyway we where clipping away nicely when i called lunch around 2pm [ had 2 foxes in live traps in wimbledon to deal with ] so i dropt off lads for there lunch did the deed and we were back by 3.30pm well when got back there was 6 cars parked all around the farm all the crows i had shot in morning and stick hung on the maze had beed knicked down and scatterd regardless around the feild .there was now 8 shooters and dogs scatterd around. we had lost our hides not equipment just positions in hedge row . so i rang farmer said what the **** was going on as i thought i was the only shooter there for the day ? his drunken reply was O i thought there was a chap and his mate joining yee . so i said to him sorry [TO MANY GUNS IN SUCH A SMALL PLACE] was i wrong . he sent us to a new bit of cover on other side of road to wait for pigeon and yes it was good sport but surely he should be keeping a eye on the number of guns on his farm at any given time right or wrong . Edited June 23, 2008 by Axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Tough Question that....I think you will find the safety aspect will be the responsibility of the shooter at all times....But that said you would also expect the farmer to monitor the situation, if only for his own safety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I often get surprised by other Guns turning up unannounced on the farm, when I'm out shooting. I always make myself known to other Guns, both from a safety angle, but also to identify people. It sounds like your farmer is a half-wit, and unaware of his own liability should there be an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 on one of my permissions where others shoot, the farmer operates a total control policy by text messages. Nobody shoots without express permission on any day. He needs to agree the area of the farm where you will be. He is a shooter himself and is very hot on safety. Initially I thought it was a bit of a bore since my other permissions are all mine alone. However, it works just fine and helps to keep up a dialogue with the farmer who then always knows how often I shoot and then often rings me later to see how I got on at a time is is suitable for him to chat. I am happy with this arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Did you inform the farmer you would be back or just nip off for a 3 hour lunch/sort the live foxes out? If you didn't inform him then I can understand him letting more shooters on later that day, if you did inform him then his safety issues are a bit slack unless he thought you had decided not to bother after being gone so long. It's a bit like the Germans with the sunbeds issue this question really. You set your stall out, did a bit then vanished for ages off site leaving your gear where it was and then expected to be able to walk right back to the best spot. The disrespectful issue of the other shooters kicking your gear all around needs addressing too. Poor form that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted June 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 the farmer was informed as to my evey move. as for knicking the gear around. the crow sticks were put up at the farmer's request. i just dont understand some people. i always ring and clear it with all my farmers as to how long i will be out or if i have to go away for a short spell .they are well informed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 the farmer was informed as to my evey move. as for knicking the gear around. the crow sticks were put up at the farmer's request. i just dont understand some people. i always ring and clear it with all my farmers as to how long i will be out or if i have to go away for a short spell .they are well informed . Can't argue with that then mate. Now we know you did indeed inform him it's poor form on the farmers side to allow others to turn up and shoot and allow them to start moving other peoples gear about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I don’t like one little bit, seems like you run things nice a tight, I had a similar situation a while back 2 local guns had a very Casual permission with farm I look after rabbits and fox, I always ring to request if its convenient etc, these two lads turn up un announced I followed them round at a distance they dropped litter and carts all over the place and I was not gonna get the blame, had a quite word with farmer, on safety issue as much as anything else as I don’t want others about when I am on the .17 or 223, anyway its now just me (as far as I can tell) so as long as you do the right thing as you have been farmer should soon get the msg as to who looks after him best in the long run Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted June 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 yes i do run a very tight ship when other shooter's are with me aswel. better safe than sorry i say. clean up tidy up leave as i find .shooting is hard to find you have got to respect your permission .i just hate it when things like this happen if i had been informed first then fine i would of called a half day shoot and made arrangements to go on another shoot for the afternoon.O well maybe i am just a whinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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