ckbraider Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Last night went out on a shoot on an very small industrail complex where we have permission to shoot rabbits as the ******* keep wrecking flower beds etc, arrived there around 11:30 pm a quick drive around showed no rabbits anywhere to be seen, we decided to go for it on foot in the parts that cant be accessed by vehicle, as soon as we set foot out of the car we found what the problem was, a bloody fox was on his rounds and in the process spoilt our nights shooting. the ****** just looked at us and casually trotted away across the adjoining field (plonker) at that point we decided enough was enough and headed off home after leaving the site you exit onto a roundabout and left onto a dual carriageway running along the edge of said field, so of i goes building up a bit of speed to get upto the 70 limit, next thing you know mr fox decides not to use the green cross code walks straight into my path BANG, 1 number plate and split front bumper later mr is dead as a dead thing, how strange is that any of you guys had any bizzare experiences like this if so let us know as they always provide good reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Similar experiences but mine are mainly with cats. Much harder to hit. :( LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggerhappy Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 one of my friends killed a fox from a head shot with a Cometa 100 .22 calibre in 1 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 triggerhappy your starting to sound like aled even if he did i cannot believe anyone would be so irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millo2 Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 triggerhappy your starting to sound like aled even if he did i cannot believe anyone would be so irresponsible. Actually I know of a farmer who shot at a fox with a .22 air rifle just to scare it off as it was a tame one that had been released into the wild, he accidently shot it through the eye and killed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 ah, told you it was possible boys. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 of 5 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Anyone shooting a fox with an airgun (bar possibly a Career on full chat at very close range) is a first rate ***** and does airgunning no favours at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I don't know why even someone would fire at a fox with an airgun, it's so fu#king stupid and is only gonna make the animal sore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowblaster Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Although fox were legal here in my state at one time, I have never shot one. I have, when I lived in upstate New York (Adirondack Mountains) killed several raccoon's with an airgun and they are a much larger animal. All but one were quick kills. It's not the gun but the man using the gun. I've killed tons of rabbits, crows, and a few feral cats with airguns also. (Beeman R1 in .20/5mm). In the right hands and waiting for the right shot (and being willing to pass on a bad one) an airgun is a capable tool. In the right circumstances I would definitely take a fox with an airgun, if it were legal and there was a darn season for them. The fox hunters here/dog runners lobbied and got a bill passed making fox hunting illegal except for chasing with hounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEREGRINE Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Crowblaster[/quoteIn the right circumstances I would definitely take a fox with an airgun. You are not governed by a 12ftlb legal limit though are you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 i did not say i have shot a fox with a airrifle.. but it is a stupid thing to do.. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millo2 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 And the farmer was fed up of it hanging round his front window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowblaster Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Peregrine you are absolutely correct! My bad, I keep forgetting that there are such differences between us. Thanks for pointing it out. I just meant to point out that I believe in the right hands and circumstances the airgun is a lethal tool for taking fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 I can’t believe that anyone would even contemplate shooting foxes with an air rifle, especially a 12 ft lb one. A few years ago I headshot a fox with a .22 rimfire. It went down like a nine-pin, only to start thrashing about like someone had just plugged it into an electric socket. I have never used a rimfire to shoot one since. It is perfectly possible to kill a human being with an air rifle, and it has happened in the not too distant past, but it wouldn’t be the sort of tool that you would use as a preference. It really does shooting no good to shoot things with the wrong tool, as it can cause unnecessary suffering and that’s when the mandarins in power start to point the finger, especially when air guns are in the frame. I am not trying to inflame any passions here, but in my opinion foxes should only be shot with a centrefire rifle, or in certain circumstances a shotgun at close range with BB. I know a couple of people who shoot them close up with .22 HV or .17HMR, but even here I think the calibre is marginal at the very best. Air rifles are great tools for rabbiting, anything bigger deserves the respect of a rifle of appropriate power. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 that is very well said with you there Gemini, i find fox's with a .22LR is good enough at close range.. and our farm will keep shooting fox's with .22LR at close range until we dont kill one in the first shot. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 seen a M8 of mine square a fox caught in a rabbit snare with his webly tempest air pistol we were kids it was iresponsable it is possible not humane and not acceptable Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggerhappy Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 how about shooting them with this air rifle: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl...pl?model_id=394 i think that would drop them pretty humanely - it's over 300ft/lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I regularly shoot fox with a .22 rimfire out to about 25 yards. I have NEVER had one get up. A lot of the art is in bullet placement. .22 rimfire is perfectly suitable for fox over short distances with good bullet placement. :thumbs: PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Gemini, headshot rabits often do a similar thing - it is caused by massive brain trauma and nerve spasm. The animal was probably dead the second the bullet struck it. Takes the nerves a while to calm down sometimes :thumbs: PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I do understand the thinking behind some of these posts, and a .22 rimfire can be a competent tool in the right hands, although it is still not considered to be the proper tool for the job. The “Home Office guidance to The Police” document states clearly that a .22 rimfire is NOT considered to be a fox calibre. As such the police would not issue a FAC for a .22 rf for the sole purpose of shooting foxes, although it is accepted that the “Occasional” fox can be taken with one, and it is recommended that the minimum calibre for foxes is a centrefire (.17 Rem/.22 Hornet etc) I have shot and killed foxes with .22rf and have always felt under-gunned. The incident where the fox wasn’t killed cleanly convinced me that I was correct in my assumption. This spurred me on to buying a .222 Rem, and later on, a .243 Win, both of which are devastatingly good for the job in hand. As for shooting them with a 12 ft lb air rifle, well this is just shear folly, as a 12 ft lb air rifle is totally inadequate, and at 25 yds the ME would have dropped to @ 8 ft lbs Compare this to a .22 rf which is producing @ 90 – 120 ft lbs at the muzzle or a .243 which is @ 1900 ft lbs and you can see why 12 ft lbs is little more than a joke for foxes. As for the air pistol which produces less than 6 ft lbs at the muzzle………..well!!! :thumbs: G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowblaster Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Triggerhappy... I know someone who owns one of those air rifles. His name is Doug Hannon. I don't know if any of you ever heard of him, he is very famous in the sport of fishing. His nickname is the "Bass Professor". Anyway...I called him one day and he invited me to his house in the middle of nowhere. I wanted to give him some of my had tied bass bugs to try out. (At that time I was trying to make some money selling them). It's an amazing air rifle. Sorry again if I keep forgetting about limitations on equipment in your country fellas. I am on a learning curve here. :thumbs: The airgun I used on raccoon at the time was the RWS 45 in .22 caliber. It was originally a .177 but I bought a spare barrel in 22 caliber and really liked how hard it hit. I also used to own a Beeman R1 in 5mm/.20 caliber. It was 860fps and rated at 15.1 foot pounds of energy. Quite noisy too. I've found that a 22LR with CB's is much quieter and effective. Although it is still a firearm so we do have limitations on where you can shoot em, that's where the airgun shines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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