ziplex Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I had a few shots of a mates SBE2 to check the fit/handling on these Benellis as I was on my way to pick up my new M2 and wanted to be sure I was doing the right thing. I fired a few 32g 6's through it and it felt very good, if a little recoil heavy. On his suggestion I tryed a heavy 3 1/2" cartridge, not sure of load but it was obviously heavy as my shoulder is now testament to, I was only wearing a light weight shirt though. Remember when some idiot puched you in the guts at school unawares and you tried to act like 'it didn't hurt'?....well, that was me today on handing back the gun Seriously though I can't imagine wanting, (or needing to as I use hevi-shot), to fire too many of those back to back, in quick succesion......you'd be a nervous wreck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Out of curiosity, do you know what shot material was in the 3.5" you fired. I shoot hot 3.5" steel homeloads through mine all the time and hardly notice the recoil. Very interested to know. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted October 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Out of curiosity, do you know what shot material was in the 3.5" you fired. I shoot hot 3.5" steel homeloads through mine all the time and hardly notice the recoil. Very interested to know. Nick. I'll try and find out Nick.........what gun do you use, the SBE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Were you shooting clays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmike Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Also, it's often said that if your expecting the recoil then you will feel it. If o the other hand, your aiming at live quarry and are concentrating on target you won't even notce it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted October 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Were you shooting clays? No.......just firing on a small piece of waste ground on the farm we shoot. Also, it's often said that if your expecting the recoil then you will feel it. If o the other hand, your aiming at live quarry and are concentrating on target you won't even notce it.... I have to agree, but the thin shirt probably didn't help much.....was quite a laugh firing 3 1/2" with a heavy load but even so I wouldn't want to use it too often. Hevi shot is horribly expensive and it does make you pick your shots but very effective i've found......I had a goose last week at well over 35 yards and it was dead before it hit the ground. I've just got an M2 so i'll have to stick to 3" carts anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chop Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Ive got a m2 comfotec and agree using 3"shells size 3 to BB you do notice the recoil. No more than using a standard sbs or o/u, however it doesnt reduce it. This is down to the interia system, which will always be abit heavier on the shoulder with bigger loads (even with the comfortec stock) than the gas system offerd by the likes of berreta. You cannot fault the benellis IMO for reliability, I have put nearly 8000 cartridges through mine in the last 12 months and never had a jam or miss fire with anything from 28g 7.5s to 3inch BBs. As said above, fi your shooting live quarry you wont notice the recoil! If you are looking for a gun to shoot 3" / 3.5" all day - get a berretta in my opinion! If you are looking for a gun that you can use and abuse for anything from clays to geese or Fox, 7 days a week, without cleaning, with any variety of shells you may have lying round - you wont go far wrong with the benelli!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 The recoil will always feel more pronounced if the gun is stationary. If you had been shooting at a moving target, you wouldn't have noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 You cannot fault the benellis IMO for reliability, I have put nearly 8000 cartridges through mine in the last 12 months and never had a jam or miss fire with anything from 28g 7.5s to 3inch BBs. As said above, fi your shooting live quarry you wont notice the recoil! I have to disagree, I have a super black eagle 2 and it always jams with 28 gram loads (even eley olympic blue which are known as a heavy hitting carts) It is a lovely gun to shoot but i have no confidence in its ability to stay jam free. Its fine for duck etc as I use heavier carts anyway. It is fine with heavier carts but i can forget clay shooting with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Ive got a m2 comfotec and agree using 3"shells size 3 to BB you do notice the recoil. No more than using a standard sbs or o/u, however it doesnt reduce it. This is down to the interia system, which will always be abit heavier on the shoulder with bigger loads (even with the comfortec stock) than the gas system offerd by the likes of berreta. You cannot fault the benellis IMO for reliability, I have put nearly 8000 cartridges through mine in the last 12 months and never had a jam or miss fire with anything from 28g 7.5s to 3inch BBs. As said above, fi your shooting live quarry you wont notice the recoil! If you are looking for a gun to shoot 3" / 3.5" all day - get a berretta in my opinion! If you are looking for a gun that you can use and abuse for anything from clays to geese or Fox, 7 days a week, without cleaning, with any variety of shells you may have lying round - you wont go far wrong with the benelli!! No, 3 1/2" shells was just a one off thing, hevi shot 3's for me/geese...good to hear you like the M2, I bought mine more for the handling and tougher finish more than recoil issues, it was noticeably heavier back to back with my Raptor though...and yes it will be a dedicated Wildfowling/pigeon gun The recoil will always feel more pronounced if the gun is stationary. If you had been shooting at a moving target, you wouldn't have noticed. Recoil wasn't too much to shout about really, it was just that heavy load that made me sit up a bit! You cannot fault the benellis IMO for reliability, I have put nearly 8000 cartridges through mine in the last 12 months and never had a jam or miss fire with anything from 28g 7.5s to 3inch BBs. As said above, fi your shooting live quarry you wont notice the recoil! I have to disagree, I have a super black eagle 2 and it always jams with 28 gram loads (even eley olympic blue which are known as a heavy hitting carts) It is a lovely gun to shoot but i have no confidence in its ability to stay jam free. Its fine for duck etc as I use heavier carts anyway. It is fine with heavier carts but i can forget clay shooting with it. To be honest these were some of the very same carts we put through my mates SBE2 yesterday, in fact they were mixed with Lyalvale 32/6's and D&J 28/7.5's and it worked faultlessly....looking on the Benelli owners website it seems they do cycle lighter loads better after a few boxes of heavier rounds? Each gun is different though I assume, apparently it makes a difference to cycling depending on mount/how tight the gun is held? I've read they are very oil sensitive too when using lighter carts, again it's what i've read and not experienced yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Mine`s an SBE2 with which I`m well pleased. Had a good day on the pigeons yesterday and I continue to be impressed with its superb handling. The SBE`s were developed for the US market some years ago for use with large steel non toxic pellets for waterfowling. There being no other shot material available at the time.I find the recoil with steel, the maximum possible load being about 1.5 oz, dependent on case length, to be quite tolerable. It is however,possible to obtain 3.5" cartridges loaded with a hefty 2.25oz of lead, the recoil from which, through such a light gun, is severe. The manufacturers literature repeatedly states that the mechanism requires a minimum kinetic energy to operate the mechanism. I think it`s been said before, but,if you want to shoot very light loads, don`t buy a Benelli. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) To be honest these were some of the very same carts we put through my mates SBE2 yesterday, in fact they were mixed with Lyalvale 32/6's and D&J 28/7.5's and it worked faultlessly....looking on the Benelli owners website it seems they do cycle lighter loads better after a few boxes of heavier rounds? Each gun is different though I assume, apparently it makes a difference to cycling depending on mount/how tight the gun is held? I've read they are very oil sensitive too when using lighter carts, again it's what i've read and not experienced yet. In Monty Python English accent "You lucky (insert filtered word here)" I would love if my one was that reliable. It is definitely true about mounting it. If it does not have anything to kick against, your shoulder, the likely hood of a jam increases hugely. As an experiment you should try (in as safe a manner as you can engineer) shooting from the hip with clay carts. See if it jams then. Even though I know all this, it still jams on me. When clay shooting, I have adequate time to mount or even pre-mount the gun and it still jams, fair enough the odd time wildfowling in the heat of the moment in an awkward seating position I may fail to mount it 100% and then when it jams I know its partly my fault. Why do I still have the gun then? I ask myself this quite a bit, firstly its an expensive gun and I will lose money on trading it, secondly it handles/balances and points very very well for a semi. Love handling and shooting it but hate getting jams. Edited October 3, 2008 by Vegeta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chop Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 How many cartridges do the jammers use/get through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 SBE2`s do need to be kept scrupulously clean,and, depending on the environment, this includes occasionally removing the circlip at the end of the magazine tube,removing the spring and cleaning inside the mag.tube itself. Also, removing the stock and lubricating the bolt return spring helps considerably, in addition to the normal cleaning of the bolt etc. There is some useful info on how to strip down the bolt return spring tube on the Benelli Forum. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 How many cartridges do the jammers use/get through? When clay shooting about 1 in 5 jams on me When duck shooting a lot less because of heavier carts. 1 in 25 maybe SBE2`s do need to be kept scrupulously clean,and, depending on the environment, this includes occasionally removing the circlip at the end of the magazine tube,removing the spring and cleaning inside the mag.tube itself. Also, removing the stock and lubricating the bolt return spring helps considerably, in addition to the normal cleaning of the bolt etc. There is some useful info on how to strip down the bolt return spring tube on the Benelli Forum. Nick. Some good tips there, I will try these and see how I get on someday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 How many cartridges do the jammers use/get through? When clay shooting about 1 in 5 jams on me When duck shooting a lot less because of heavier carts. 1 in 25 maybe SBE2`s do need to be kept scrupulously clean,and, depending on the environment, this includes occasionally removing the circlip at the end of the magazine tube,removing the spring and cleaning inside the mag.tube itself. Also, removing the stock and lubricating the bolt return spring helps considerably, in addition to the normal cleaning of the bolt etc. There is some useful info on how to strip down the bolt return spring tube on the Benelli Forum. Nick. Some good tips there, I will try these and see how I get on someday Just an update, my M2 was tried tonight with a right mixed bag of carts, I know it's not a SBE but just to point out, first off I put a 28g 7 1/2, 32g 6 (both 70mm) followed by a 65mm 30g 6 (all Lyalvales).......all cycled without problem. I also tried 2 x 34g 6 steel followed by a bismuth 4 (not sure of grm' but it was a 65mm case again), again no problem. I hope it stays this way Very pleased with the pointability of the gun too and recoil wasn't an issue either. Hopefully be tramping around the grounds tomorrow evening after the ducks...so we'll see how it handles 3" hevi shot, a cart that seems to have caused a few ejection issues on the M2 in the states, we'll see but I can't see a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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