webber Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I've just acquired a Lee Loadall from another PW member. I was reading the instructions on the web last night, and noticed that they stated that the machine should only be used with plastic wads. My problem is that I have acquired the machine to load some larger loads with fibre wads. We are only allowed fibre wads on our shoot. My basic question is, has anyone successfully used a Lee Loadall with fibre wads? Are there any hints or tips that I should know, or have I wasted my money and should have bought another machine, if so which one? webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 You should have no problem using felt or fibre wads through the Lee press. when you use it try to make sure that you move the powder/shot slide firmly and evenly , That way you will get a consistent powder drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 just looked at a lee load all on the net and although different to the mec single stage machines i use the principal is the same, just place what ever felt wad you need to insert in the wad guide and the plunger will seat it, best to insert thin cards by hand and use the plunger to insert the over powder stiff card and the main fiber wad, what shot weight do you want to load and into what cases? mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I want to load some BBs, felt wad, 40gms or so, into once used Hull Soverign cases. I've no idea yet as to which primer, propellant, size of wad etc. I think that I have a fair bit of reading to do before I get stuck in. All tips appreciated. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mec 9000 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 What are you going to shoot with 40g of Lead. Be careful with your choice of powder and primer as you will need a slow burning powder to shift that amount of lead keeping breech pressures within safe limits. Reloading formula will also depend on what your gun is proofed for so I suggest if you are new to reloading to contact Ian Charlton at Claygame for all the data you will need. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 What are you going to shoot with 40g of Lead.Be careful with your choice of powder and primer as you will need a slow burning powder to shift that amount of lead keeping breech pressures within safe limits. Reloading formula will also depend on what your gun is proofed for so I suggest if you are new to reloading to contact Ian Charlton at Claygame for all the data you will need. Gerry I want a cartridge to shoot out grey squirrel dreys,and the odd fox, if we ever get the chairmans permission to shoot them. The cases that I have saved are 70mm and have large end caps. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirky Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Loading fibre wads will alter the presure as opposed to plastic wads, they are a tighter fit in the case, and will take up more room, seek some advice before loading fibre wads, just to be safe. what powder are you going to use ? Bluedot would be suitable for that shot weight with cx2000 primers, like has been said before ian at claygame will have the load info, but, he will probably try and sell you "csbo" powder try a net search for "Alliant powders" they will have the load details but they will only have it for plastic wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thanks, I have a CD on the way, and will study the data. When I've made what I feel is the decision I shall post my proposed recipe on PW, and seek advise before I buy any components. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirky Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 PM sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazkb Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 clay and game do have some really good stuff but they can't post powder i would love some of his better powder but it's a far way to travel, let me know if you decide to go down there please, maybe we could get a big order sorted on here for one person to go and collect ? it would make it worth while, you can get primers shipped. The american powders are very expensive, look for the cheaper (and usually better) european powders, I am after loading some 36g No:5 Loads and would like a recipe for both fibre and plastic before i can order of Ian thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Try the siarm website they have all the reloading bits itemised and priced and will ship all of there products to the uk even primers and new primed cases , On the right hand side of the page click on the currency tab and select pounds. www.siarm.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) This is the reply from Clay game, I don't have any data for that weight of lead shot in a 70mm case. It would be one of those loads that you have work up yourself. To get the volume of shot in the case you would need a very dense powder that doesn't take much room up like B&P M92S or TECNA-n. What I would do is cut open a factory cartridge of the type you want to reload and weigh the powder and replicate the components. However ONLY do this if you are 100% what sort of powder it is and you can weigh it accurately. Cheers MC Edited February 18, 2009 by MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have Ian's load chart for vectan A1, The 40 gram load on that is 70mm pta case / cx2000 primer / 26grains of vectan A1 / 15mm fibre wad and mylar wrap with 15 grains of buffer with a 6 point crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Loading fibre wads will alter the presure as opposed to plastic wads, they are a tighter fit in the case, and will take up more room, seek some advice before loading fibre wads, just to be safe. what powder are you going to use ? Bluedot would be suitable for that shot weight with cx2000 primers, like has been said before ian at claygame will have the load info, but, he will probably try and sell you "csbo" powder try a net search for "Alliant powders" they will have the load details but they will only have it for plastic wads. Thanks, I have a CD on the way, and will study the data. When I've made what I feel is the decision I shall post my proposed recipe on PW, and seek advise before I buy any components. webber You will find if you go up to a 3" case there will be a lot more options. Got to be honest now you mention it I have not seen anything heavier than 36g in fibre. As for working up a load as suggested.... Do this with caution. I have been reloading a long time but still don't 'play with the devil'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Starlight I had chosen 70mm cases because I had been saving some high brass cases that I have been shooting, and they are 70mm. I now have a recipe from courtesy of another PW member. I would however be please to receive any proven recipe that you have for 40gms of BB, felt wad. I am yet to order any components, so could easily buy some 3" cases if needs be. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mec 9000 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 If you are saving cases they should be first fired through your own gun, if collected from a clay ground they may need to be resized. you mention high brass cases, the brass does not make any difference and is mostly cosmetic on the cartridges. Pity you do not live near Lanarkshire as I can get you powder or primers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Starlight I had chosen 70mm cases because I had been saving some high brass cases that I have been shooting, and they are 70mm. I now have a recipe from courtesy of another PW member. I would however be please to receive any proven recipe that you have for 40gms of BB, felt wad. I am yet to order any components, so could easily buy some 3" cases if needs be. webber PM sent....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 One benifit of high brass (besides being nice and shiny if you are into that sort of thing) is that sometimes thinner cases can bulge just above the head on lower brass cases and higher brass helps to eliminate this. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mec 9000 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Chambers of different guns can have a slight difference in bore and cartridges when fired will swell to the size of that bore, this could mean that cartridges fired from my gun if reloaded may not fit your gun because of the swell. If using pick ups try and fit to chamber when empty, you will be surprised at the amount that will not fit. I can send you some formulas but need to know what pressure your gun is proofed to, whether you are using Parallel tapered or compression formed cases and whether you wish to crimp or roll turnover. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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