Jesus-Ninja Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Been reading this page: http://www.basc.org.uk/content/pestbirdspractice I'm hoping someone can clarify something. I think I am right in saying that I can use a multi-trap for pigeons, but not a larsen. Regarding this quote from the site: The general licence does not require an individual to demonstrate that the birds were causing a problem at, or prior to, the time of control or that there was no other satisfactory solution. Does this mean just for larsen traps (ie therefore not pigeons) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus-Ninja Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thinking this could be the thing I need. http://www.trap-man.com/wood-pigeon-trap.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 If i were you i would be wary of this section which would probably apply to that trap. Section 8 (1) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 provides that if any person keeps or confines any bird whatever in any cage or receptacle which is not sufficient in height, length or breadth to permit the bird to stretch its wings freely, he shall be guilty of an offence and be liable to a special penalty. I`m not sure how successful you would be getting a pigeon to go into that trap even if it was legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus-Ninja Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thanks, Warlock. So with a bigger cage it would be OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 From what is listed on the BASC website, it is legal to trap woodpigeons in cages so long as they are not left in there for long ammounts of time and are dispatched quickly and humanely, also so long as the cage is big enough then i would say it seems ok, also you have to provide food, water and a perch for welfare reasons to reduce suffering. BASC recommends the following sizes depth 2m, width 2m and length 3m as a minimum size for multi-catch ladder/letterbox type traps (see below). The operator should always construct traps to include a door to facilitate daily inspection. This is a hell of a trap for a pigeon, if you really want pigeon you could PM a local member to you and ask to buy some off the field, i sell mine for 20p a bird. or is it a case you have a bad pigeon problem and want to kill 2 birds with one stone, food and cutting local pigeon numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 A reply to what type of "pigeon" would be good and better define the most effective measure of control......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 A reply to what type of "pigeon" would be good and better define the most effective measure of control......... One would assume that as the trap he was thinking of is labeled as a wood pigeon trap then he is after wood pigeon, also the same poster has previously been asking about shooting wood pigeons in his back garden and if that is legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Nope, no mention of "wood", just pigeons............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpersniper Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 im guessing that trap would cost like £40?! cheaper/more fun/ more humane?/ easyer to buy an air rifle and nail them if its a couple of pigeon in the garden, the gun will be there forever then if any other pests were to show up Of course it could be unsuitable for shooting in, in which case a trap would be ok i suppose! caught lots of jackdaws, crows and magpies in the past, i had not heard of pigeon being caught. I thought they would be too clever and scared of a wire trap more than corvids because of their different feeding habits. Good Luck SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpersniper Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 what do you bait the thing with? corn? is it to catch those fat pet wood-pigeons that are tamed by old people and come regularily to peoples bird tables?! a bit tight! its like killing someones cat! nah maybe they are causing you damage. sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus-Ninja Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Yup - Wood Pigeons. We don't exactly live in the city, but it's 5 - 10 mins drive to open land, and I'm concerned about shooting round here and getting in trouble for it. Trap seems less likey to attract attention. Why? I like pigeon! I also quite fancy growing things to eat too, and I'm sure the pigeons would be only t happy to eat things for me.... I was particularly intrigued by the quote in my fist post from the BASC website, regarding trapping The general licence does not require an individual to demonstrate that the birds were causing a problem at, or prior to, the time of control or that there was no other satisfactory solution. If someone can clarify this for pigeons that would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 If you read that quote on the BASC website, they would be the best people to seek clarification from. There is a lot of "smoke and mirrors" surrounding the General Licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus-Ninja Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OK, mailed them. Hello, I'm looking to trap woodpigeons in my garden. After some research, I am hoping you can clarify a quote on your web page: http://www.basc.org.uk/content/pestbirdspractice "Note: The general licence does not require an individual to demonstrate that the birds were causing a problem at, or prior to, the time of control or that there was no other satisfactory solution." Does the above note apply to wood pigeons, or will I need to gather the evidence of any damage they are causing before hand? Additionally, I believe I am correct in saying that I cannot use a larsen trap for wood pigeons, but that a multi-trap of suitable size is acceptable. Is it permissible to bait these traps? Many thanks in advance. I will post up their response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Would be interesting to see the reply from them, i believe the general licence for shooting is far different than the general licence for trapping, the main difference is with shooting you have to have exhausted other means of detering them and prove this fact, but with trapping you don`t have to prove anything you can just do it. Maybe i will be proved wrong. But i`m pretty sure i`m right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus-Ninja Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Better clear some space in the freezer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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