Cosd Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Been reading the forum for a year now but only lately started seeing 'landers' mentioned on a few threads. At first I thought this was another term for floaters, but I've just seen an article in Sporting Gun and these are (I think) totally different. I only browsed the mag this morning so haven't read the article completely yet; So unlike floaters/bouncers which imitate birds coming in, I think these are placed at the front of a pattern to imitate birds moving forward in the pattern. Is this right? And also, I'm guessing these are static decoys, in other words they do not add movement to the pattern? Do many people use these to good effect? The magazine also shows a diagram how to convert a pigeon cradle into a lander in case anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think you are talking about flappers, they sit on the ground and every so often the built in timer makes the wings flap to as you say simulate the pigeons shuffling forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proTOM1 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 no he is talking about landers they are put at the front of the pattern with wings out and tail feathers spread to look like a bird coming in to land they do move and add some movement not seen any for awhile tho ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 is this a moving version of what are known as 'Angels'? ie wings almost tip to tip in front with a spread tail - i put shot pigeons in this shape at the front of the pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proTOM1 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 is this a moving version of what are known as 'Angels'?ie wings almost tip to tip in front with a spread tail - i put shot pigeons in this shape at the front of the pattern yes same thing just they move a bit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The ones I saw in the Sporting gun mag definitely don't move. It showed how to turn a normal (dead bird) cradle into a lander by adding green garden wire. The wings are spread so the tips are forward of the birds head and the tail feathers are fanned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerseaDavid Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 It is bassically a very small bouncer that sits about 6-10 inches off the ground to act like a bird just starting to land. John Batley came up with the idea and used them for many years and it is shown in one of his videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taff Mason Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 they are the same as angels. they simulate a bird litterally just about to land. you'll notice that pigeons flare their wings and tale feathers and flap a few times just before they touch down. the wings should be right forward and above the birds head. you will probably have to snap the wings to get them to stay in this position though. taff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy1 Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 i use a couple of landers/angels at the head of my pattern, but don't be tempted to use to many as this could then simulate a flock about to take off or appear spooked, which in turn could put off other birds from coming into the pattern, cheers jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) I've always used a couple of landers but usually place them in the 'killing zone' towards the outside, like a bird just dropping in and about to land(that's why they're called landers I guess :unsure: ) You can get wing and tail sets just like you can for bouncers. The difference is that,as has been said, the tail is flared more. I use a similar set up to the bouncers I make and you do get some movement which can't do any harm, can it! I use a feeding decoy as the basis as the forward head position looks better, more realistic. Edited March 5, 2009 by Greenhunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Tom Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Any one got any pictures of how they put there landers. And do they really make much difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 imagine this but on the ground! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 actually this is closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 this one's good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Tom Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Thanks guys. do you just lay them down on the floor or put them on a stick or what ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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