henry d Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Righty ho, I have read and re-read both Speer and Lee manuals and my instructions for my Redding dies (.222/6.5) 2 die set, now if I set the ram with holder to the top of it`s stroke and then back off (screw out) the die 1/2 turn this will neck size only yes ? And if I do the same except screw the die in 1/8 - 1/4 of a turn I will then be full length resizing ? Once fired brass only fired in my guns. EDIT** No tightness when chambering unloaded brass into the chamber ! Yes I do realise it sounds silly but as there is a little difference I want to get it straight by asking the good fellas here and many thanks for any replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Burpster Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Henry which Redding dies are they ? the S type bush dies or std? My std set are clearly marked neck or FL. Neck only sizes the neck - FL full length and neck. If you shorten the throw of a FL die (which I think is where you're coming from) I dont believe you will size the full length of the neck. S bushing dies can neck size a varying portion of the neck so thay you can leave a portion of the shoulder/neck fireformed to ensure the neck is central.... Does that help any...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 .222……………….6.5?????surely you mean 5.56 That meant .222 and 6.5x55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I use Lee collet neck sizing die. It's impossible to 'misuse' it to full length size as the squeeze bit only fits the neck. Without checking my instructions i think I have to raise the case holder to max, then screw the die in until it touches the case holder then screw in a little further, not back out. I know some people say you can use a full length die to neck size only by backing it out the way you say henry - but it seems a bit hit and miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 henry get a redding neck die you wont look back,you will tighter groups and your brass will last longer than if you full length resize,reloading solutions sell them,post me down some 222 fireformed brass if you want i will necksize it and send it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Henry You can use this method for partial resizing but it's effectiveness often depends on case geometry. A heavily tapered case like the 6.5 will partial neck size more readily than something less tapered and what you will see is a ring on teh neck showing the extent of the die's travel but to be honest, its a cheap quick fox method done to save money and it is not really a true sizing job as you will almost definately be touching the shoulders if you want to resize the full neck, a requirement if you want consistent starting pressures and secure bullet fit in a hunting rifle. Cheers F, I get that idea Redding dies are in my opinion very good quality and I would personally either buy a neck sizing die or set the fl die to "JUST" bump the shoulder on sizing which to be honest, you should really do anyway for single rifle use and maximum case life. Take a fired "tight" case that takes some bolt effort to close and then slowly adjust the die until you can close the bolt with little effort, this will mean you are full length sizing the case by the minimun amout and your cases will live a lot longer especially if your chamber is generously headspaced and exhibits extensive fire forming changes from a true SAMMI full length sizing. This has been particulalry helpfull to me when dealing with the belted magnums which were origionally designed to headspace off the belt and not the shoulder. I will have to try all my ammo as I haven`t found a "tight" case yet. The advise you give me is exactly what Redding say yet chuckhawks/lee/etc. are slightly different Stuart kindly posted the redding leaflet HERE. Thanks to all who have given their advice I shall consume it and digest . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 ......... Lee presses don't cam over at TDC and their instructions seem biased against presses which do. That seems to be the crux of the matter........ "No I AM Cleetus !" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 henry get a redding neck die you wont look back.......... That`s what I will do In the mean time I will get some work done with the FL die. It will be interesting to set full length against neck sized ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 That`s what I will do In the mean time I will get some work done with the FL die. It will be interesting to set full length against neck sized ammo were the cases you gave me fired in the 222 you are loading for as i still have some, untouched,i could necksize a few for you and you would have fireformed cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Cheers plinker, yes they are, however the die will be here in a day or two, I had excess(Is there such a thing?) brass, so you were welcome to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I think Lee make good dies but their advice is tailored for "Cletus". I use the Collet neck die on my 308 which has seen a lot of use and hence reloading and if memory serves me, I dont set up their dies anything like they reccomend. Lee presses don't cam over at TDC and their instructions seem biased against presses which do. Fister, How do you set up your dies in a Lee press? You're right, they dont cam over you need to push to some unknown degree, I just give it welly till it feels right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Fister, How do you set up your dies in a Lee press? You're right, they dont cam over you need to push to some unknown degree, I just give it welly till it feels right. Thats the difference with 'nice' dies like Redding. I used to rock the table that my Lee press is mounted on to necksize with Lee dies... With the Redding dies its a gentle press and squeeze and all done. No dramatics at all... I'll keep the Lee dies as a back up but they are redundant now I have the Reddings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Cubix, I use a Lee neck sizing die in a Lee press for my 308 but as Fister and the Lee instructional video says, it needs 25 or so pounds of pressure to size the neck, my bench does creak a little when I`m neck sizing, the thing is I like Lee stuff, practical, cheap and easy to follow instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Nothing wrong with lee dies, i have had 5 sets and never a problem. I have had to send RCBS and Forster back! Redding are the rolls Royce. The problems you are all describing are due to the Lee presses, NOT the dies. The Collet Neck Dies can be used in CAMOVER presses as long as you dont take the **** with the travel. The lee die instructions are favoured towards Lee presses which to all intents and purposes work differently to everyone else's as they DONT CAM OVER, therefore dont give you the very high mechanical advantage at the end of the stroke, therefore require all that heaving and shoving you describe. Interesting, I wasnt aware of that - You would have thought that Lee would have made thier dies to work at an optimum with thier own presses.....? Anyhoo you are correct about Redding dies..... I've been spoilt now...... no going back.... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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