wildfowler.250 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hi, I was just wondering if I could get some advice for a .22 set up, (I am expecing my variation to come back pretty soon ). Im pretty sure what gun I am going to get but don't know too much about what moderator and scope to go for, (choosing rings and mounts is a new one to me aswell!). So, what scope would you recommend? I think a few people on here use a meopta or something ? I am looking for something with probably a fixed mag, (say 7x50) and if this is a good choice what version of the meopta range would you reccommend?...sorry for being so vague here! And for a moderator is it worth going for the ASE rimfire model or are the cheaper options just as good? (the main reson im getting a .22 is for the quietness of it as I already have an HMR). and how much would I be looking to pay for said model? And as I mentioned I am lost on mounts and rings so any advice there would be greatly appreciated! Sorry for such a long winded question but if you could answer any of the above it would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I have an ASE mod on my CZ .22, and a SAK on my Anschutz. The (£65) ASE definitely offers better sound attenuation, but it is heavier and longer than a (£40) SAK, and not so straightforward to clean. The SAK mod will do everything you need. My aforementioned .22s each wear a Meopta Artemis 7x50, in (I think) Sportsmatch mounts. I picked up the scopes for about £150 each on Fleabay, several years ago. Meopta's 4B ladder reticle has ranging marks that function as holdover points for the .22LR (zeroed at 50 yards, the reticle allows clinically precise shots at 75 and 100 yards). I don't think there's a scope better suited to a .22LR - the glass is of excellent quality, giving a reassuringly crisp image even in very low light, and the scopes are as tough as nails. I wouldn't bother buying any other scope, unless it is from a top-drawer German/Austrian manufacturer. Buy decent mounts though, as if you treat your rifle as roughly as I do mine, poor-quality mounts will quickly show themselves up as the weak link. Budget for a Harris bipod, Butler Creek scope covers, a sling and several 10-round magazines. Don't buy a cleaning kit (you won't need it). My two rifles perform best on either Eley or RWS HP subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 thats handy advise Baldrick, ive just been granted my FAC although its not arrived yet, ive got a new remmy 541-t .22 on hold with Steve Beaty, he had 3 mint 2nd hand mods and he recommended the sako at £25, i was going to put a Hawke Nite Eye 4x16x50 AO IR scope on it as the budget is a bit tight, my shooting has to be self funding except ammo and any club fees, funded by sales of other guns etc and proceeds from sold pigeons and rabbits. i'll have a search around and see if i can find one of the Meopta scopes you speak so highly of. mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Mikee, by odd coincidence, it was StuartP on here that suggested Meopta to me several year ago, in response to my comment that I was deeply unimpressed with the Hawke Nite Eye 4-16x50 that I had on my CZ at the time. The difference between the scopes is startling, but then Meopta makes proper scopes for centrefire use (I use a third Meopta 7x50 on a .308 set up for woodland stalking). In my opinions, illuminated reticles are only worth having if they are of absolutely top-notch quality, clear and crisp. Have a search of Fleabay for Meopta, and post some wanted ads on here and other forums. It'll be worth the wait. I note you your comment that you are on a budget, but there is undeniable sense in the oft-quoted phrase, 'buy cheap, buy twice'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 cheers Baldrick, let the search begin. ive also got a .243 lined up its a mint 2nd hand Ruger 77 mk2 which a present waers a simmons white tail 8x42 i think, i am proposing to keep it for a while but save up for a better scope, probably a S&B 8x56 hungarian, after some searching this seems to be the best entry level european scope for the money, what do you reckon mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Mikee, a Hungarian S&B 8x56 will be spot-on for woodland stalking and foxing. If you're only planning to use the rifle predominantly for stalking, a European 7x50 or 6x42 will be excellent (and cheaper than an 8x56). The second-hand market should yield some good examples (see the S/H optics sections on Guntrader and the York Guns and Macleods of Tain websites). The old Simmons White Tail scopes were made in Japan, before Simmons outsourced its manufacturing to the Philippines. They're always rated as decent scopes for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I have an ASE mod on my CZ .22, and a SAK on my Anschutz. The (£65) ASE definitely offers better sound attenuation, but it is heavier and longer than a (£40) SAK, and not so straightforward to clean. The SAK mod will do everything you need. My aforementioned .22s each wear a Meopta Artemis 7x50, in (I think) Sportsmatch mounts. I picked up the scopes for about £150 each on Fleabay, several years ago. Meopta's 4B ladder reticle has ranging marks that function as holdover points for the .22LR (zeroed at 50 yards, the reticle allows clinically precise shots at 75 and 100 yards). I don't think there's a scope better suited to a .22LR - the glass is of excellent quality, giving a reassuringly crisp image even in very low light, and the scopes are as tough as nails. I wouldn't bother buying any other scope, unless it is from a top-drawer German/Austrian manufacturer. Buy decent mounts though, as if you treat your rifle as roughly as I do mine, poor-quality mounts will quickly show themselves up as the weak link. Budget for a Harris bipod, Butler Creek scope covers, a sling and several 10-round magazines. Don't buy a cleaning kit (you won't need it). My two rifles perform best on either Eley or RWS HP subs. Thanks for the advice! glad to hear you think so highly of the meopta scopes, (and the info on which recticle to go for was very useful ). Out of interest, by the time I add a bipod to the rifle it will be quite heavy anyway so if weight wasn't a factor,(and you say there is no need to clean) would you choose the ASE or just stick with the SAK ? Thanks very much for all your advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Bear in mind that the distribution of weight on a rifle is as (if not more) important than the rifle's overall mass. I find a muzzle-heavy rifle quite tiresome to carry and use as a truck-gun for sustained periods of time. It's less of an issue with a lightweight rimfire, but the principal still applies. On that basis, I would stick with the aluminium SAK, rather than the steel ASE. The ASE is a great moderator, but it's almost too much for a .22LR. My ASE gets more use on my .22 WMR. I recommend a 9-13" Harris swivel bipod, by the way. It gives enough height to be able to shoot over long grass, without being unduly heavy. A stretchy Butler Creek sling is quite a good buy too, to make carrying the rifle more comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Thank you very much for your help! I'll go for the meopta 7x50 and the SAK then I'll try and research some good mounts and scope rings like you said and I think thats me sorted Thanks again for all the advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 CZ452, I can't imagine you'll be disappointed with that kit. Please let me know how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 will do Thanks again for all the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Go for one of the deben carbon fiber mods. I've got one on my rimmy and no other sound mod I've had compares to how good it is. Forget all the FAC rated and 'especially for 22lrs' a good old airgun one seems to knock spots off the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 CZ, you're welcome to come and have a pop with my rimmy with the carbon sound mod if you're local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 CZ, you're welcome to come and have a pop with my rimmy with the carbon sound mod if you're local. Thanks for the advice, will take a look at them And I appreciate your offer to try your gun but im up in the highlands Thank you very much though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milligan Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Go for one of the deben carbon fiber mods. I've got one on my rimmy and no other sound mod I've had compares to how good it is. Forget all the FAC rated and 'especially for 22lrs' a good old airgun one seems to knock spots off the competition. I stand corrected but I would have thought you'll fall foul of the law by using an airgun mod on a .22lr. As far as I know Mod's have to be on ticket except for FAC air. Aside from that airgun mods are not designed or build for the pressures or energy of a .22lr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I stand corrected but I would have thought you'll fall foul of the law by using an airgun mod on a .22lr. As far as I know Mod's have to be on ticket except for FAC air. Aside from that airgun mods are not designed or build for the pressures or energy of a .22lr. You can use a sound mod for an airgun on a rimmy (i wouldn't use it on anything but a .22lr, as the others are more of a risk) However, once it is placed on the thread, it becomes a section 1 sound mod, which must be entered onto your ticket. The pressures inside a mod for a .22lr are not that far off a FAC air anyway. I wouldn't reccomend using on on a .17HMR, but LRs are fine. Mine has had thousands and thousands of shots through it, both semi auto and bolt action and it's in perfect working order. Also, don't forget that carbon fibre can be as strong, if not stronger than steel in some cases, so there's no worry of it breaking under a few thousand psi for a fraction of a second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I stand corrected but I would have thought you'll fall foul of the law by using an airgun mod on a .22lr. As far as I know Mod's have to be on ticket except for FAC air. Aside from that airgun mods are not designed or build for the pressures or energy of a .22lr. Once the air gun mod is put on to the .22 it becomes part of your fac. And as said some air gun mods are better than the stuff made for rim fire rifles and i have yet to hear of one getting damaged by pressure from the 22 rimmi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) This is what mine looks like. I think it's deben, but I'll see what I can find. It literally weighs nothing. I can't recommend it enough Edited July 12, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 This is what mine looks like. I think it's deben, but I'll see what I can find. It literally weighs nothing. I can't recommend it enough I had a look on deben's website but couldnt find anything on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Oh and does anyone know what the normal (or a good price ) for a meopta 7x50 is ? any suggestions on where to look ? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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