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[Dunkield]

One for all you Yorkshiremen out there

 

I am sure I got the tip from this forum so thought I would post the results.

 

Here is what stainless PES moderator looks like.

[Dunkield]

And here is what it looks like when you cut up an old mountain bike innertube and slide that over. Bit cheaper than the humourously named Bush Muffler (which I don't think they do for the PES yet anyway)

 

Not sure how much heat it will take we will have to wait and see...

[mikky]

use rubber bullets should keep the temp down

[ciltalgarth]

What a great idea stuartp and cheap as chips.

[markbivvy]

cheap

 

we like that.

[Dunkield]

Trouble is, me bike doesn't work anymore

[deadeye ive]

Stuart

 

Have you found any difference in the behaviour of the gun since having a mod fitted.

 

Dose'nt look like the usual long and thin PES.........Looks nice

 

Ive

[hawkeye]

cheap

 

we like that.

you would

[Dunkield]

Stuart

 

Have you found any difference in the behaviour of the gun since having a mod fitted.

 

Dose'nt look like the usual long and thin PES.........Looks nice

 

Ive

Unfortunately I haven't had a lot of opertunity to shoot it since I got it Ive.

 

I re-zero'd the gun with it on, as that is how I intend to use it most of the time, and as predicted it was way off, top left from memory(?)

 

That was in someones (big) garden at the time so I couldn't do too much shooting without it on.

 

I put the results of that session up on here a while back, with Sako 55 gameheads it went straight through the centre of a 3/4" black patch at 100 yrds which is good enough for me!

 

The plan is to get my scope marked up with 'mod on' mod off' marks on the dials so I can dial it up accordingly. I was going to pop down to Bisley at the weekend for a play, but I am going pigeon shoting instead which is much more fun than paper punching I also need to try out the 55grn ballistic tips as well....

[Dunkield]

Here you go Ive,

 

I have taken a couple of snaps so you can see it on and off...

[Dunkield]

and on (obviously )

[deadeye ive]

Nice pics Stuart

 

My question was that since the T8 has been fitted my first couple of shots are not going where they should (erratic and unpredictable)but still good enough for 4" kill zone ..........But after things settle down and i manage 1" groups at 100 & 150yds and 2" at 200yds with factory ammo . Wish I could pin point the prob with the very first shot .It's had 60 rds Fired with the T8 on and at a £1 a throw i'm fast running out of resources . I've even stopped cleaning the barrel with BBS

 

I have to confess that i've removed a fair amount of wood from the stock to increase the clearence from the barrel but not bedded the action in yet.

 

Since I made a Metallic backstop zeroing has become more pleasurable as i'm on my own piece of land and not having to adhear to the rules of the range........Hence i'm getting through bullets like there is no tommorrow.

 

Still more development needed me thinks ..........any ideas .........I have carried out the standard checks ..........Not sure if shooting with the mod off will solve owt as the groups at 150 are superb and i'm more than pleased .

 

Regards

 

Ive

 

Ive

[dunganick]

Nice pics Stuart

 

My question was that since the T8 has been fitted my first couple of shots are not going where they should (erratic and unpredictable)but still good enough for 4" kill zone ..........But after things settle down and i manage 1" groups at 100 & 150yds and 2" at 200yds with factory ammo . Wish I could pin point the prob with the very first shot .It's had 60 rds Fired with the T8 on and at a £1 a throw i'm fast running out of resources . I've even stopped cleaning the barrel with BBS

 

I have to confess that i've removed a fair amount of wood from the stock to increase the clearence from the barrel but not bedded the action in yet.

 

Since I made a Metallic backstop zeroing has become more pleasurable as i'm on my own piece of land and not having to adhear to the rules of the range........Hence i'm getting through bullets like there is no tommorrow.

 

Still more development needed me thinks ..........any ideas .........I have carried out the standard checks ..........Not sure if shooting with the mod off will solve owt as the groups at 150 are superb and i'm more than pleased .

 

Regards

 

Ive

 

Ive

when the shots were erratic had you cleaned it with WD40 or another similar product. i know some people have experianced odd first shots becuase it takes 1 shot to clear the WD40 which has moved all the gunk inside around.

 

might not be the case, but you never know.

[Dunkield]

Hmmm tricky one.

 

Do you oil your mod after you fire it?

 

If everything else is in order, that would be the area I would look at, as a bit of oil is known to through the first couple of shots off.

 

Floating the barrel will make it less prone to inconsistancy through the woodwork getting wet etc.

 

It sounds like it needs to get warm to start performing which isn't very practical for a sporting rifle, I would be tempted NOT to clean it and start a seesion with a 'fouled' barrel and see what happens then.

 

BTW, If you are going down for the Bisley do, save up a bit of dosh and get the bloke in the armoury to get some ammo in for you, his Federal prices are hard to beat.

[deadeye ive]

It sounds like it needs to get warm to start performing which isn't very practical for a sporting rifle, I would be tempted NOT to clean it and start a seesion with a 'fouled' barrel and see what happens then.

 

BTW, If you are going down for the Bisley do, save up a bit of dosh and get the bloke in the armoury to get some ammo in for you, his Federal prices are hard to beat.

Yes I was wandering about this .........It needs to warm up

 

 

 

 

.............Wd 40 in my opinion is what causes the probs with the T8 even though the maker advises it ....Because it is very searching The oil strips off the inner lining which is orange in colour and this is then blown out the end leaving the operator with the impression that it's rust coming out because of the colour .

 

I use silicon spray(which should evaporate) but thanks for the Tip Nick and Stuart as I never considered this

 

I am going down to Bisely ...............The day is booked off .............I might even camp yet but i'm not sure as I have not seen my shift pattern yet .

 

cheers

Ive

[Dunkield]

There you go mate, a stainless PES maybe the way forward??

[deadeye ive]

At £200 for the mod ,£50 for the machining and £30 for the re-proofing which incidentley i've not had done yet I WILL MAKE IT WORK B)

 

 

Ive

[dunganick]

There you go mate, a stainless PES maybe the way forward??

how do you find the PES for weight?

 

i know they used to have build quality issues, however i am told by my tame gunsmith they are now top notch.

 

i have a short list of

 

pes

 

wildcat

 

reflex

 

for my mod (when/if i can afford it)

 

as my gun will be a heavy barrel, im quite intrested in anything a little bit lighter or thinner with a longer shroud.

[Dunkield]

Frankly my dear....

 

It weighs a bleedin' ton, but then none of them are light. I will put it on the scales when I get a chance, but being over barrel most of that weight isn't hanging right off the end of the barrel.

 

If it were super light like some of the reflex's claim to be I would doubt they will last, just think of what a mod on a centrefire has to put up with.

 

I went through your short list ten times before I coughed up my 200 quid and I can think of reasons (mainly obvious and well publicised) not to buy the eother 2.

When an agent for one of the other makes tells you not to buy one you have to listen

 

I went for the PES based on the fact it ia a lot of money and I will never have to buy it again, it is field strippable and because my mate has had one for years (a very early blue one, which incidently has no build quality issues whatsoever) which returns to zero on/off the gun every time. QED.

[dunganick]

Frankly my dear....

 

It weighs a bleedin' ton, but then none of them are light. I will put it on the scales when I get a chance, but being over barrel most of that weight isn't hanging right off the end of the barrel.

 

If it were super light like some of the reflex's claim to be I would doubt they will last, just think of what a mod on a centrefire has to put up with.

 

I went through your short list ten times before I coughed up my 200 quid and I can think of reasons (mainly obvious and well publicised) not to buy the eother 2.

When an agent for one of the other makes tells you not to buy one you have to listen B)

 

I went for the PES based on the fact it ia a lot of money and I will never have to buy it again, it is field strippable and because my mate has had one for years (a very early blue one, which incidently has no build quality issues whatsoever) which returns to zero on/off the gun every time. QED.

fair play, what is the issues with the wildcats?

 

i never saw an early pes, but one of my best shooting friends is a gunsmith who deals with more silencers every week than ive probably seen in my life, just saying what he observed and commented on.

 

also out of intrest, how far back does the shroud go? and how far forward?

 

sorry about question time

[deadeye ive]

3 gunshops local to me............I won't use one and the other two use gunsmiths who won't fit wild cats ............reason being is down to problems caused by mis-alignment .........There words not mine.

 

The only PES I've seen was long and thin ...........I'm sure they are good ,I just did'nt like the look of it ...........Ironically I was offered it second hand as this shooter wanted a T8 fitting instead B)

 

As i've previously mentioned I maintain my T8 with silicon spray and keep it in a sock with a load of them silica gel sachets that you get with Cameras and other electrical goods.

 

If there are any issues of rust I'll let you know ..........As a sheetmetalworker with over 25 yrs experience the build quality is superb IMO

 

Without getting my tape out the T8 extends the barrel by 4" with 8" slipping over .

 

Yep.......Fullbore silencers is a bloody Minefield + & - to em all

 

 

Ive

[Dunkield]

Nick,

 

You can see how far back it goes in the pictures further up the thread, I will measure it if you want, but I have only just put it away having weighed it

 

And it weighs, 845grams which is about 1lb 13oz's in old money, so fairy heavy, and very noticable on a very light gun like the CZ.

 

Once I get my new stock from the States (if it ever arrives) I am hoping that will move the point of balance back towards my hands.

 

Ive,

 

You are right about the T8, the same guy that has the PES has a reflex on his speedmaster and that seems well made, and feels solid enough - I am too lazy to be doing all the rust prevention stuff, so that was why I didn't go for one.

 

If the cuase of your misplaced first shots turns out to be oil residue, which you have to use on your mod, where do you go from there?

 

I heard the same about the w1ldcat and when I rang to ask how much they were, the guys attitude sucked, so that was the last nail in the coffin of that sale..

[dunganick]

Nick,

 

You can see how far back it goes in the pictures further up the thread, I will measure it if you want, but I have only just put it away having weighed it

 

And it weighs, 845grams which is about 1lb 13oz's in old money, so fairy heavy, and very noticable on a very light gun like the CZ.

 

Once I get my new stock from the States (if it ever arrives) I am hoping that will move the point of balance back towards my hands.

 

Ive,

 

You are right about the T8, the same guy that has the PES has a reflex on his speedmaster and that seems well made, and feels solid enough - I am too lazy to be doing all the rust prevention stuff, so that was why I didn't go for one.

 

If the cuase of your misplaced first shots turns out to be oil residue, which you have to use on your mod, where do you go from there?

 

I heard the same about the w1ldcat and when I rang to ask how much they were, the guys attitude sucked, so that was the last nail in the coffin of that sale..

fair play mate, you have been v helpful.

 

who are you ordering your stock from? which outfit?

[Dunkield]

It will be, fingers crossed, a wooden one (yuk - wood!) from Richards Microfit Stocks.

 

They quoted me 8 weeks as they don't do a drop in for the 'Ceee Zeee' as they call them, I rang last week to see how things were going and the voicemail said 'if you calling about a special lead time is now 10 weeks' so I will try next week again.

 

The basic stock is $55(!) and needs finishing, it has a rollover cheekpiece will means I won't have to lft my head off the stock, and as it weighs more it should balance the out again.

 

If it ever arrives, I will put some pictures of it up on here...

[dunganick]

It will be, fingers crossed, a wooden one (yuk - wood!) from Richards Microfit Stocks.

 

They quoted me 8 weeks as they don't do a drop in for the 'Ceee Zeee' as they call them, I rang last week to see how things were going and the voicemail said 'if you calling about a special lead time is now 10 weeks' so I will try next week again.

 

The basic stock is $55(!) and needs finishing, it has a rollover cheekpiece will means I won't have to lft my head off the stock, and as it weighs more it should balance the out again.

 

If it ever arrives, I will put some pictures of it up on here...

they are a very good outfit that lot. they were 2nd on my list, cheaper than boyds, but elkridge were cheeper still (by $10.....im tight )

 

ive had the stock on order since 1st week dec......and they took payment last week, so im hoping it will be here soon. the one ive got on order is a dual grip- thumbhole, role over cheek piece, 99% inletted, with semi fancy wood and varmint forend. With bedding kit and installed studs swivels and shipping it was £139, i cannot wait to get my hands on it B)

 

ive got my interview for my variation with the new firearms officer next tuesday, so ive got to convince him i need a .223 (which of course i do). of course if he dosent let me have one.....im stuffed, ive allready got everything for the rifle paid for apart from rifle and brass!

 

have you ordered a laminate or hardwood?